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The discussion centers on the relationship between baryogenesis, dark matter (DM), and the potential existence of antimatter counterparts to dark matter. Participants explore theories regarding baryon asymmetry, the implications of dark matter being its own antiparticle, and the concept of asymmetric dark matter (ADM). The conversation includes speculative ideas about the nature of dark matter and its interactions with antimatter.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that baryogenesis leads to an asymmetry between baryons and antibaryons, questioning whether this resolves the issue of dark matter's existence.
  • Others argue that theories exist where the dark matter sector also contains an asymmetry related to baryon asymmetry, known as asymmetric dark matter (ADM).
  • A participant questions whether the existence of anti-DM would violate or affect the curvature of the universe, suggesting that extra energy could be involved.
  • There is mention of models where dark matter is its own antiparticle, particularly in popular theories like SUSY neutralino, while ADM models suggest a distinct separation between DM and anti-DM.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of dark matter being composed of nearly equal parts matter and antimatter, which annihilate slowly due to weak interactions.
  • Speculation arises about the decay of anti-DM leading to the production of matter, raising questions about the current absence of anti-DM and anti-matter.
  • References to sterile neutrinos as a possible dark matter candidate are made, along with links to relevant papers that discuss this idea.
  • Participants note that the enthusiasm for sterile neutrinos as dark matter candidates has waned but remains a topic of interest.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of dark matter, the existence of anti-DM, and the implications of baryogenesis. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus reached on these complex topics.

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Some limitations include the dependence on specific theoretical frameworks and unresolved questions regarding the interactions and properties of dark matter and antimatter. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with the relevant literature and theories.

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We know that in the Baryogenesis happened a asymmetry between baryons and antibaryons.Here Is matter only BM(baryonic matter) or BM+DM.

If its only BM so we have extra DM which its a matter.So the Baryogenesis solved ? (Here of course it can't be solved cause there's a big difference between BM and DM but at least we have matter superiority)
 
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Baryogenesis is the creation of baryons over anti-baryons (as the name suggests). Baryons are made of quarks and not even leptons are a priori included in baryogenesis.

There are theories where also the dark matter sector contains an asymmetry, which in those theories by design is related to the baryon asymmetry. The common name for theories of this sort is asymmetric dark matter (ADM).
 
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Orodruin said:
Baryogenesis is the creation of baryons over anti-baryons (as the name suggests). Baryons are made of quarks and not even leptons are a priori included in baryogenesis.
I didnt noticed that. And I don't know why.
There are theories where also the dark matter sector contains an asymmetry, which in those theories by design is related to the baryon asymmetry. The common name for theories of this sort is asymmetric dark matter (ADM).
So there's a anti DM ? Is that violates or affects the curvature of universe (Cause there will be extra energy)
 
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So there's a anti DM ? Is that violates or affects the curvature of universe (Cause there will be extra energy)
We do not know the answer to this question. In many theories, including the very popular SUSY neutralino, dark matter is its own anti-particle. In ADM models, DM is distinct from anti-DM and the asymmetry is such that there is no (or very little) anti-DM in the Universe today.
 
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I didnt noticed that. And I don't know why.
There are theories where also the dark matter sector contains an asymmetry, which in those theories by design is related to the baryon asymmetry. The common name for theories of this sort is asymmetric dark matter (ADM).
So there's a anti DM ? Is that violates or affects the curvature of universe (Cause there will be extra energy)
In most models, dark matter is made out of nearly equal parts matter and anti-matter, particles which only annihilate with one another slowly due to their weak interactions.
 
f there's anti DM, and DM decays antimatter, then If anti DM decays we will get matter.Which it explains why there's dark matter no anti DM and no anti mattet ?
 
RyanH42 said:
f there's anti DM, and DM decays antimatter, then If anti DM decays we will get matter.Which it explains why there's dark matter no anti DM and no anti mattet ?
The term "dark matter" typically refers to both matter and anti-matter components of any dark matter that may exist.
 
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Also, by energy conservation and most often charge conservation, a particle cannot decay to its anti particle and something else. Some times you can have particle-antiparticle oscillations, but these go both ways.
 
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One possibility, proposed at one time is DM as sterile neutrinos. Here is a relevant paper.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1306.4954

I haven't heard too much on this in the past two years. Though I do encounter its possibility in numerous SO(10) MSSM papers. I've been digging up some papers on the Pati-Salam subgroup. Which involves left-right hand chirality.My two better finds In this is the following

SO(10) A La Pati-Salam

http://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-ph/0204097
Another helpful article is this gem

The Phenomenology of Right Handed Neutrinos
http://arxiv.org/abs/1303.6912

from what I've read its still one possibility.
 
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Possible evidence for sterile neutrinos was announced by two papers released nearly the same time in 2014- re:http://arxiv.org/abs/1402.2301 and http://arxiv.org/abs/1402.4119v1. They have been collectively cited nearly 400 times since release. The enthusiasm for sterile neutrinos as DM candidate particles has waned somewhat, but, remains in play.
 
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Chronos said:
Possible evidence for sterile neutrinos was announced by two papers released nearly the same time in 2014- re:http://arxiv.org/abs/1402.2301 and http://arxiv.org/abs/1402.4119v1. They have been collectively cited nearly 400 times since release. The enthusiasm for sterile neutrinos as DM candidate particles has waned somewhat, but, remains in play.
Thanks I recall reading those papers but had lost track of them. Glad to see you kept the links to them.
 
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You probably recall I was the one who brought them up last year.
 
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Chronos said:
You probably recall I was the one who brought them up last year.

Yep I do.
 

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