I Dark matter and structure formation

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The discussion centers on the role of dark matter in the formation of cosmic structures like galaxies. While some argue that structures could theoretically form without dark matter, the consensus is that dark matter potential wells are crucial for the observed structure in the universe. An article referenced suggests that non-linear effects in general relativity might allow for structure formation without dark matter, indicating a need for further exploration of this idea. Additionally, modified gravity theories have been proposed as alternatives that could explain structure formation. Overall, the debate highlights the complexity of understanding cosmic structure and the potential for alternative theories to challenge conventional views.
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Could matter have formed structures in the universe, like galaxies, without the presence of dark matter?
 
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Yes.

But to the extent that we are observing in our actual universe. No. The dark matter potential wells are important for structure formation.
 
Orodruin said:
Yes.

But to the extent that we are observing in our actual universe. No. The dark matter potential wells are important for structure formation.
I was reading an article which says the opposite, that structures could not have formed at all without dark matter.
 
I don't see how that is the opposite of what I said.
 
There is an argument that non-linear effects in general relativity that haven't been adequately considered could give rise to the observed amount of structure without dark matter. See Alexandre Deur, "Effect of gravitational field self-interaction on large structure formation" arxiv.org: 2108.04649 (July 9, 2021) (Accepted for publication in Phys. Lett. B) DOI: 10.1016/j.physletb.2021.136510

Modified gravity theories could also have that effect. See, e.g., Sanders 1998, McGaugh 1998, McGaugh 1999, McGaugh 2000, Sanders 2001, Nusser 2002, Stachniewicz & Kutschera 2002, McGaugh 2004, Skordis et al. 2005, Llinares et al. 2008, Feix 2016, Khoury 2016.
 
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