De Broglie wavelength (relativistic e-)

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on calculating the de Broglie wavelength of a relativistic electron with a kinetic energy of 3.00 MeV. The correct formula to use is λ = h/p, where h is Planck's constant (6.63 x 10^-34 J·s) and p is the relativistic momentum. The total energy E must include both kinetic and rest mass energy, leading to the equation E² = (mc²)² + (pc)². The correct wavelength, as per the answer key, is 3.58 x 10^-13 m, indicating that the initial approach using only kinetic energy was incorrect.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of de Broglie wavelength and its formula λ=h/p
  • Familiarity with relativistic equations: KE = mc²/sqrt(1-(v/c)²) and p = mv/sqrt(1-(v/c)²)
  • Knowledge of total energy in relativistic contexts, specifically E² = (mc²)² + (pc)²
  • Basic grasp of Planck's constant and its application in quantum mechanics
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the derivation and implications of the de Broglie wavelength in quantum mechanics
  • Learn about relativistic momentum and its calculation for particles at high speeds
  • Explore the relationship between kinetic energy and total energy in relativistic physics
  • Investigate the conditions under which classical equations can be applied to relativistic scenarios
USEFUL FOR

Students of physics, particularly those studying quantum mechanics and relativity, as well as educators seeking to clarify concepts related to the de Broglie wavelength and relativistic particles.

Jules18
Messages
100
Reaction score
0
Wavelength of an electron

Homework Statement



De Broglie postulated that the relationship λ=h/p is valid for relativistic particles. What is the de Broglie wavelength for a (relativistic) electron whose kinetic energy is 3.00 MeV?

-Electron has 3.00 MeV (or 4.8*10^-13 Joules)
-it's relativistic
-finding λ.

Homework Equations



h=6.63*10^-34

λ=h/p (obviously)

And I'm not sure if they're needed, but the relativistic eq's are:

KE = mc^2/sqrt(1-(v/c)^2)
p = mv/sqrt(1-(v/c)^2)

I'm not sure if this one applies to relativistic speeds:

E = hc/λ

The Attempt at a Solution



Attempt 1:

E = hc/λ

4.8E-13 = (6.63E-34)(3E8)/λ
λ = (6.63E-34)(3E8)/(4.8E-13)
λ = 4.14E-13 m

BUT answer key says 3.58E-13

If you could help, that would be great.
Sorry if it's too long, and I'm a little unfamiliar with relativistic eqn's so forgive me if I screwed up on them.
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org


Jules18 said:

Homework Equations



h=6.63*10^-34

λ=h/p (obviously)

And I'm not sure if they're needed, but the relativistic eq's are:

KE = mc^2/sqrt(1-(v/c)^2)
p = mv/sqrt(1-(v/c)^2)
Actually, this "KE" expresson is giving the total energy, kinetic + rest mass energy, so

KE + mc2 = mc2/sqrt(1-(v/c)2)

I'm not sure if this one applies to relativistic speeds:

E = hc/λ
That's an approximation that applies at extremely relativistic speeds (say v>0.99c), and is strictly true only when v=c, i.e. for photons and other massless particles.

Since this is a moderately relativistic situation, E=hc/λ is not valid.

You could try using the KE + mc2 equation instead, but many problems like this one make use of this:
E2 = (mc2)2 + (pc)2
where, again, E is the total energy,
E = KE + mc2
 


Wait, I just realized this is close to an extreme relativistic situation.

Jules18 said:

The Attempt at a Solution



Attempt 1:

E = hc/λ

Yes, that will work. However, E is the total energy, kinetic + rest mass energy. Just using the kinetic energy for E is wrong.
 
oookay that makes a lot more sense. Thanks so much, redbelly. :)
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
5K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K