De Broglie wavelength (relativistic e-)

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The discussion revolves around calculating the de Broglie wavelength of a relativistic electron with a given kinetic energy of 3.00 MeV. Participants are exploring the application of the de Broglie relation λ=h/p and its relevance in relativistic contexts.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between wavelength, momentum, and energy, questioning the appropriateness of using certain equations for relativistic particles. There is an exploration of the total energy concept, including kinetic and rest mass energy.

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Some participants have provided insights into the correct application of relativistic equations, noting that the total energy must be considered. There is acknowledgment of the complexity of the situation, with differing interpretations of the equations applicable to moderately relativistic speeds.

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Participants are navigating the nuances of relativistic physics, particularly the definitions of kinetic energy and total energy in the context of the de Broglie wavelength. There is a recognition that the problem may involve assumptions about the relativistic nature of the electron's speed.

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Wavelength of an electron

Homework Statement



De Broglie postulated that the relationship λ=h/p is valid for relativistic particles. What is the de Broglie wavelength for a (relativistic) electron whose kinetic energy is 3.00 MeV?

-Electron has 3.00 MeV (or 4.8*10^-13 Joules)
-it's relativistic
-finding λ.

Homework Equations



h=6.63*10^-34

λ=h/p (obviously)

And I'm not sure if they're needed, but the relativistic eq's are:

KE = mc^2/sqrt(1-(v/c)^2)
p = mv/sqrt(1-(v/c)^2)

I'm not sure if this one applies to relativistic speeds:

E = hc/λ

The Attempt at a Solution



Attempt 1:

E = hc/λ

4.8E-13 = (6.63E-34)(3E8)/λ
λ = (6.63E-34)(3E8)/(4.8E-13)
λ = 4.14E-13 m

BUT answer key says 3.58E-13

If you could help, that would be great.
Sorry if it's too long, and I'm a little unfamiliar with relativistic eqn's so forgive me if I screwed up on them.
 
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Jules18 said:

Homework Equations



h=6.63*10^-34

λ=h/p (obviously)

And I'm not sure if they're needed, but the relativistic eq's are:

KE = mc^2/sqrt(1-(v/c)^2)
p = mv/sqrt(1-(v/c)^2)
Actually, this "KE" expresson is giving the total energy, kinetic + rest mass energy, so

KE + mc2 = mc2/sqrt(1-(v/c)2)

I'm not sure if this one applies to relativistic speeds:

E = hc/λ
That's an approximation that applies at extremely relativistic speeds (say v>0.99c), and is strictly true only when v=c, i.e. for photons and other massless particles.

Since this is a moderately relativistic situation, E=hc/λ is not valid.

You could try using the KE + mc2 equation instead, but many problems like this one make use of this:
E2 = (mc2)2 + (pc)2
where, again, E is the total energy,
E = KE + mc2
 


Wait, I just realized this is close to an extreme relativistic situation.

Jules18 said:

The Attempt at a Solution



Attempt 1:

E = hc/λ

Yes, that will work. However, E is the total energy, kinetic + rest mass energy. Just using the kinetic energy for E is wrong.
 
oookay that makes a lot more sense. Thanks so much, redbelly. :)
 

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