Death by Botox? Can Botulinum Toxin Kill You?

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The discussion revolves around the potential lethality of botulinum toxin if ingested, exploring the differences between doses used in medical applications like Botox and those that could be fatal. Participants examine the nature of the toxin, its effects, and related health concerns.

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  • One participant posits that ingesting botulinum toxin would likely result in death, suggesting that the effects would be almost instantaneous.
  • Another participant counters that the outcome depends on the dose, noting that botulinum toxin is extremely potent and that lethal doses are in the microgram range, while Botox injections use much smaller amounts.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of foodborne botulism, explaining that the toxin's effects can arise from contaminated food and that heating can destroy the toxin without killing bacterial spores, which may lead to different health implications, especially in infants.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether ingesting botulinum toxin would lead to death, as there are competing views regarding the effects of dosage and the context of exposure.

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The discussion highlights the importance of dosage in toxicology and the distinction between medical uses of botulinum toxin and its potential dangers when ingested. There are unresolved aspects regarding the mechanisms of botulism and the implications of bacterial spores.

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If someone drank botulinum toxin, would they die?

My friend and I have a bet. I say yes. (note we're not actually going to drink it, we are both chem and bio geeks though and I say yes and he says no.)

I think you'd die almost instantly, right? He says you wouldn't because its the same stuff they use Botox for.
 
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You won. As with every poison, it depends on the dose. Small dose enough and no problems, large enough and you are done. Botulin is one of the most potent toxins known, and large enough means something in the 1 microgram range per person. Doses used in Botox injections are much smaller.
 
Awesome, thanks!
 
food borne botulism is the result of direct effects of the produced toxin rather than internal production by the bacteria) Heating contminated food can destroy the toxin without necessarily killing the bacterial spores. This generally isn't a problem in adults but in infants it can result in the colinization of the GI tract and later botulism poisoning.
 

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