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The discussion centers on the appropriateness of the death penalty for heinous crimes with clear guilt, emphasizing that some believe it should be executed swiftly after sentencing. Participants express strong opinions on the nature of punishment, with some arguing that the death penalty serves as a necessary deterrent, while others question its effectiveness and morality. The conversation also touches on the idea that not all crimes should receive the same punishment, particularly distinguishing between violent offenses and lesser crimes. Concerns about wrongful executions and the financial implications of lengthy appeals are raised, highlighting the complexity of the issue. Ultimately, the debate reflects deep divisions on the role of punishment in society and the justice system.
  • #401
jarednjames said:
I'm not denying they were part of society, I'm simply saying that they don't deserve to be.
They are a product of society. We cannot retroactively decide they were born on the Moon.

Yes, we can isolate them from innocent people, but killing them is killing ourselves.
jarednjames said:
I disagree, this thread is about giving the death sentence to 'cut and dried cases'. As such, it is important we look at the alternatives to doing so..

Before concerning ourselves with the economics and cost-efficiency of doing so, we should first determijne if it is the Right thing to do at all. This thread, in asking its question makes too big an assumption.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
They are a product of society. We cannot retroactively decide they were born on the Moon.

That's a very important point. Society IS what it is, ie, everything in it - from the best to the worst - the fraudsters, the dope pedlers, the rapists, the child molesters, the violent murderers ..

To isolate the worst and call them 'out of society' doesn't make much sense.
 
  • #403
skeptic2 said:
Did you leave out deterrence intentionally?
Actually no. I was thinking of "after the fact" and "regarding the perpetrator." So add
"As a lesson to others" to my list. And I do think that is a valid point; but as been noted, It is arguable as to whether or not it is effective as such (We have the paradoxical case of not being able to show proof of an event that didn't happen). I can't make a call on either side (I'm a GD moderate!).By the way, I would not lose a moment's peace if the Cheshire invasion duo received the death penalty, although I do think they should sit in a tiny cell with nothing but the images of their victims visible through their tiny bars.
 
  • #405
alt said:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/27/2256398.htm

.. and there's another one. How would you feel going to the gallows innocent ?

Frusterated in addition to the usual pants-wetting terror. I might feel a bit better than a truly guilty person... I know what you mean though.
 
  • #406
alt said:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/27/2256398.htm

.. and there's another one. How would you feel going to the gallows innocent ?

If you must know, after seeing such a miscarriage of justice (for I would see it that way, if I were in that position), I'd try to see how many people I could take with me.

But I'm not entirely sane, I think. I especially wouldn't be entirely sane after sitting through that, and knowing what's ahead in my life.
 
  • #407
alt said:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/27/2256398.htm

.. and there's another one. How would you feel going to the gallows innocent ?
From 1922? Things have really changed since then. Should we go back through history and list all people wrongfully killed? Let's keep this about "current" events, please.

Also, that case wouldn't be applicable to the topic even if it happened today because it's only circumstantial evidence, this thread doesn't consider circumstantial evidence for the death penalty.
 
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Char. Limit said:
If you must know, after seeing such a miscarriage of justice (for I would see it that way, if I were in that position), I'd try to see how many people I could take with me.

But I'm not entirely sane, I think. I especially wouldn't be entirely sane after sitting through that, and knowing what's ahead in my life.

I agree, if their going to convict me of something I might as well go do something worth the conviction.

Sentenced to death and no chance to get out of it? Kill a few guards and a postman.
 
  • #409
zomgwtf said:
I agree, if their going to convict me of something I might as well go do something worth the conviction.

Sentenced to death and no chance to get out of it? Kill a few guards and a postman.

Exactly. QFT.
 
  • #410
zomgwtf said:
I agree, if their going to convict me of something I might as well go do something worth the conviction.

Sentenced to death and no chance to get out of it? Kill a few guards and a postman.

Char. Limit said:
Exactly. QFT.
You would randomly kill innocent people?

This thead couldn't dig itself any lower.
 

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