Debate about how a light year can be used

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of light years as a unit of measurement, particularly whether it can be equated with time in the context of astronomical events, such as the lifespan of a star. Participants explore the implications of using distance and time interchangeably, as well as the definitions and significance of light years in relation to Earth years.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that a light year, being a unit of distance, cannot be used as a unit of time, emphasizing that distance and time are not interchangeable.
  • Others propose that the analogy of distance traveled by an airplane could suggest a relationship between distance and time, but this is challenged by the context of light years.
  • A participant suggests that the speed of light is a constant, which makes using light years a more practical way to express astronomical distances compared to miles.
  • One participant raises the question of how the distance a photon travels in an Earth year could be conceptualized, introducing complexities related to the behavior of light in different contexts.
  • Another participant points out that the measurement of time in relation to distance requires a specific velocity, which complicates the notion of interchangeability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the interchangeability of distance and time, with some asserting that they are not interchangeable while others explore the implications of such a relationship. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the validity of using light years as a time reference.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the relationship between distance and time, particularly in the context of different velocities and the nature of light. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical or conceptual complexities involved.

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If I say that a star will die after 50 million light years, can I also say that that after 50 million EARTH years, the star will die

BECAUSE DISTANCE AND TIME ARE
INTER-CHANGABLE (if a airplane travels from point A to point B and the distance is 200 miles, I can also say that the distance is 2 plane hours, which is a unit of time)
 
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Harshu Pande said:
If I say that a star will die after 50 million light years
Then you would be saying that the star will die after approximately 2.5E19 miles, which of course is just silly.
 
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phinds said:
Then you would be saying that the star will die after approximately 2.5E19 miles, which of course is just silly.
Phinds, so basically you are saying that light year cannot be used as a unit of time right?
 
Harshu Pande said:
Phinds, so basically you are saying that light year cannot be used as a unit of time right?
right

because the statement you made in your first post

Harshu Pande said:
BECAUSE DISTANCE AND TIME ARE
INTER-CHANGABLE

is not correct
 
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A light year is an explicit way to make a length corresponding to a time. It doesn’t make sense to use that as a time unit again. Just say year.
 
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HP, I would suggest that you consider the problem (as you stated it) in reverse.

What is the distance a photon travels in an Earth Year?
 
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r8chard said:
...What is the distance a photon travels in an Earth Year?

Depends on what the photon bounces off of. Also could be effected by the curvature. For instance in the LIGO apparatus the beam generates photons at the same time but occasionally they do not arrive in the detector at the same time.
 
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All right guys I got the answer I needed! thank you so much for all of your feedback!
 
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Harshu Pande said:
If I say that a star will die after 50 million light years, can I also say that that after 50 million EARTH years, the star will die

BECAUSE DISTANCE AND TIME ARE
INTER-CHANGABLE (if a airplane travels from point A to point B and the distance is 200 miles, I can also say that the distance is 2 plane hours, which is a unit of time)

A light year is a unit of distance not a unit of time.
Distance and time are not interchangeable.
If a plane travels 200 miles in 2 hours that means it was traveling 100 mph. Calling it a distance of 2 plane hours is only relevant if the plane is going 100 mph. If the plane were going 200 mph then it's distance would change to 1 plane hour which makes no sense.

We only use the term light year because the speed of light is the universal speed limit and it never changes in the same medium. And saying a distance of 1 light year is much easier than saying a distance of 5,880,000,000,000 miles.
 
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Harshu Pande said:
If I say that a star will die after 50 million light years, can I also say that that after 50 million EARTH years, the star will die

BECAUSE DISTANCE AND TIME ARE
INTER-CHANGABLE (if a airplane travels from point A to point B and the distance is 200 miles, I can also say that the distance is 2 plane hours, which is a unit of time)

They are not interchangeable. The 2 hours is measurement of velocity and time.
 

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