Deceiving Simple Geometry Question

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a geometry question involving the calculation of a length (BC) in a configuration with multiple unknown angles. Participants explore various methods for solving the problem, including the use of trigonometric laws and scale models.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in solving the geometry question and mentions the complexity of using Pythagoras' theorem or the cosine rule.
  • Another participant notes that there are 7 unknown angles and 7 linearly independent equations, suggesting that the solution for BC is unique and can be found using trigonometry.
  • A different participant questions the practicality of solving a 7-variable simultaneous equation, indicating doubts about the reducibility of the equations.
  • One participant claims to have found a solution using the Law of Sines on a specific triangle but later retracts this after realizing an error in their drawing.
  • Another participant provides an approximate answer for BC using a scale model and mentions a software-derived value, while expressing a desire for a more efficient method of solving the equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to solve the problem, and multiple competing views on the approach remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the relationships between the angles and the equations, as well as the complexity of the equations involved in the problem.

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Here's a simple looking geometry question, but I can't seem to solve it.
But according to scale models, there is a unique answer for BC.

Equations with Pythagoras' theorem or cosine rule always seems to end up in an illegible pile of mess.

Does anyone has any idea how to go about solving the question?
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You have 7 unknown angles and there are 7 linear independent equations relating them, so the solution is unique. You can use the angles and trigonometry to find BC.
 
Thanks for pointing out that info.

But isn't there another way to solve this question rather than to solve a 7 variable simultaneous equation? Most variables are not linear combination of each other too, so I doubt the 7 equations are practically reducible.
 
I was able to find a solution using the Law of Sines on triangle AYX, namely on angles AYX and YAX

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nevermind, i drew the picture incorrectly.
 
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In case anyone wants to check, the answer should be around 3.6 using a scale model.

By using a software to digest some of the equations i threw in, the answer comes out to approximately 3.580181.

But of course, the equations are too long for someone to solve by hand. I think someone must have a better method than me. :smile:
 

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