Can you solve this geometry problem for nine year olds?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a geometry problem presented to a primary school class, specifically focused on finding an unknown angle (x) in a triangle setup. Participants explore various methods to solve the problem, including both trigonometric and non-trigonometric approaches, while considering the problem's suitability for nine-year-olds.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the problem can be solved using trigonometry, arriving at an approximate value of 30 degrees for angle x, but expresses a desire for a non-trig solution due to the problem's intended audience.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of the sum of interior angles in a triangle and attempts to derive angle ACD but admits to struggling to find the value of x.
  • A participant notes that the problem is well-known and references "Langley's Adventitious Angles," suggesting that identifying isosceles triangles is key to the solution.
  • Some participants propose constructing additional lines and triangles to find relationships between the angles, with one detailing a method involving isosceles triangles and angle properties.
  • Concerns are raised about the difficulty of the problem for nine-year-olds, with some participants recalling their own experiences with geometry at that age.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about the reasoning behind certain constructions, particularly the decision to draw a specific line at a given angle.
  • One participant reflects on the nature of the problem, suggesting it may be contrived and likening it to a game of "Jeopardy," where the solution is known but the reasoning is not clear.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the problem, with multiple competing views on the methods and the appropriateness of the problem for the intended age group. There is also uncertainty regarding the reasoning behind certain geometric constructions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note missing information or assumptions that may affect the problem's solvability, and there are references to the complexity of the problem relative to the skills expected of nine-year-olds.

  • #31
Man this is an old thread.
And I can't remember now if I solved this problem.
Quite the "head scratcher", as I recall.

llober said:
See next figure, what happes here?

No.

Charles Link said:
In the diagram of @OmCheeto of post #18, ADEC is a 4 sided polygon, with enough information available that, using the law of cosines and law of sines

That's cheating, according to the OP.

andrewkirk said:
Does anybody out there think they can solve it without using trig?

hmmm... Wondering if hdroogling with quotes works on a mac?

answer: Yes. And that appears to be the only instance of a "Hail Mary" on my computer. hmmmm...
 

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