Decibel Drop of 1 Singer in Choir

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The problem involves a choir of 10 singers, each producing sound at the same decibel level, and examines the change in sound level when one singer stops. The subject area relates to acoustics and the mathematical representation of sound intensity in decibels.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the method of calculating the total decibel level for the choir and how to approach the problem of one singer stopping. There are attempts to simplify the calculations using logarithmic properties and questions about the correct application of these rules.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested focusing on the contributions of sound intensities to the total decibel level, while others are exploring the logarithmic relationships involved in adding decibel levels. There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the sufficiency of information and the application of logarithmic rules in the context of decibel calculations. There is mention of specific equations and assumptions regarding the intensity of sound from each singer.

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Homework Statement


Imagine a choir of 10 singers, all of different frequencies, but each singing at the same decibel level β if heard
separately. Suddenly one gets bashful and stops singing. By how many decibels does the sound of the full choir drop?

Homework Equations



I = I1 +I2 + I3 ...β = 10log10(I/Io)

Io = 1.0 * 10^-2

The Attempt at a Solution



can i just call the combined decibel level of 10 singers x

x = 10log10(10I/(10^-2)

then call the combined decibel level of 9 singers y

y = 10log10(9I/10^-2)

then subtract them, i have a feeling there is not enough information to solve this :(
 
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You don't actually need the intensities. Do you know how to add decibel levels?
 
Mindscrape said:
You don't actually need the intensities. Do you know how to add decibel levels?

no, do i divide them based on a logarithmic rule ??

logx-logy = log(x/y)

or am i way off here

beta change = 10log10(10/9) = .457 according to my calculator
 
Well, let's forget about the general case of adding decibels, and just focus on how the sound intensities will contribute to the total decibel level

dBtot=10log(I1/I0 + I2/I0 + ... + I10/I0)

In this case, all the sound sources are the same. Simplify what I started, use a log rule, and I think you'll be able figure out the rest.
 
vande060 said:
no, do i divide them based on a logarithmic rule ??

logx-logy = log(x/y)

or am i way off here

beta change = 10log10(10/9) = .457 according to my calculator

Let 10n be the intensity of each singer.Then

β= 10*log[10n/10-12] = 10(12 + n)

Similarly write down the equation for 10 β and 9 β and find the difference.
 

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