Decomposition of N2O5 Entropy Equilibrium

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The discussion revolves around the entropy equilibrium of the decomposition of N2O5, focusing on the calculations related to Gibbs free energy (DG), equilibrium constant (Kp), and the effects of temperature on the reaction. Participants are seeking verification and clarification on their mathematical approaches and assumptions.

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  • One participant expresses uncertainty about their derived formula for Kp and requests help, indicating they are struggling with complex calculations beyond quadratics.
  • Another participant suggests that the initial setup for part (a) may be incorrect and provides an alternative approach, assuming small values for x and constant volume conditions.
  • A participant reports a calculated final concentration (x) and asks for verification of their math based on a revised formula for Kp.
  • One participant outlines a method to calculate DGnaught and Kp, referencing the Clausius Clapeyron law to find Kp at different temperatures.
  • A later reply confirms the correctness of the approach but does not verify the arithmetic or unit usage.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the initial setup for the calculations. There are multiple approaches and interpretations presented, with some participants correcting or refining earlier claims without resolving the overall uncertainty.

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Some assumptions regarding the behavior of the system, such as the smallness of x and constant volume, are not universally accepted or verified. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of the problem setup.

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I need verification of my answers. I unfortunately found these problems on an old book with no answer. I would really appreciate it.

(a) Ok. For this one, I am really not sure. PLEASE help.
I get a very complicated formula.

(1+x)(x^4)/(1-x)^2=Kp.

Now, this makes no sense because I am not able to solve more than quadratics. This book should represent problems I could see on exams where they do not expect me to do more than quadratics. What do I do?

(b) DG=DGnaught+RTln(Q)
Q=Kp so DG=0.
DGnaught=28058J
DGnaught=DH-TDS.
DS=258mol/K.

(c) Reaction is endothermic. Adding temperature will make reaction go forward more.
 

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Part (a) does not look like it was set up correctly. If x is the final pressure of the NO2, the final pressure of the O2 is 1+x/4, and the final pressure of the final pressure of the N2O5 is 1-x/2. I guess you have to assume that the container is operating at constant volume.

Assume that x is small compared to 1, and see what you get. If you feel that you need to get better accuracy, solve by successive substitutions.

Chet
 
Chet, I corrected the situation:
I get a final x of 0.0147M. Please check my math.
(1+x)((4x)^4)/(1-2x)^2=Kp

Thank you so much.
 
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I will post another problem on this thread. I do not want to overcrowd the forum with my "pollution."
 
Here is my attempt: calculate DGnaught using values (final - initial).
Calculate Kp noting that DG=0. So -DGnaught=RTln(Kp).
Use Clausius Clapeyron law to find new Kp at other temperature.

Kp 298K: 5.29x10^34
Kp 345K: 8.61x10^29
 

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yolo123 said:
Here is my attempt: calculate DGnaught using values (final - initial).
Calculate Kp noting that DG=0. So -DGnaught=RTln(Kp).
Use Clausius Clapeyron law to find new Kp at other temperature.

Kp 298K: 5.29x10^34
Kp 345K: 8.61x10^29
Your approach is correct. I haven't checked your arithmetic, or your use of units.

Chet
 

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