Decompositoin of f(x) in Legendre polynomials

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The discussion revolves around the decomposition of functions using Legendre polynomials, particularly focusing on the expression for the function \(\frac{1}{\sqrt{1 + \eta^{2} - 2\eta x}}\) and how it can be represented as a series involving Legendre polynomials. Participants explore the mathematical foundations of this decomposition, including orthogonality and normalization of the polynomials.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the decomposition of the function into Legendre polynomials and seeks clarification on the form it takes.
  • Another participant explains that coefficients for the Legendre polynomial expansion can be found using the inner product defined as an integral, referencing a formula from Wikipedia.
  • A participant expresses gratitude for the explanation and raises additional questions about the origin of the term \(\frac{1}{2n+1}\) in the integral and the limits of integration.
  • A later reply attempts to clarify the origin of the \(\frac{1}{2n+1}\) term, suggesting it relates to the normalization of Legendre polynomials and proposes that the integral should be taken from -1 to 1 instead of 0 to 1.
  • Another participant challenges the previous claims about the coefficients, suggesting alternative forms for the terms \(\frac{1}{2n+1}\) and \(\frac{2}{2n+1}\), indicating ongoing uncertainty regarding the correct expressions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct form of the coefficients in the Legendre polynomial expansion, indicating that there is no consensus on this aspect of the discussion. Additionally, there is uncertainty regarding the limits of integration and the role of the parameter \(\eta\) in the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the mathematical steps regarding the coefficients and the integration limits, and there are dependencies on definitions of orthogonality and normalization that remain unaddressed.

Apteronotus
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Hi,

In Wikipedia it's stated that
"...
Legendre polynomials are useful in expanding functions like

<br /> \frac{1}{\sqrt{1 + \eta^{2} - 2\eta x}} = \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \eta^{k} P_{k}(x)
..."

Unfortunately, I am failing to see how this can be true. Is there a way of showing this?

I know that Legendre polynomials form an orthonormal set, and so given any function, we should be able to decompose it into a 'linear combination' of these polynomials. But what form does this decomposition take?
 
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If ui is an orthonormal basis for a vector space and v is any vector in that space, then v can be written as v= \sum a_i u_i. Taking the inner product of v with any member of the basis, say uk gives &lt;u_k, v&gt;= &lt;u_k, \sum a_iu_i&gt;= \sum a_i&lt;u_k, u_i&gt;= a_k because <uk, uk>= 1 while <u_k, u_i>=0 for any value of i other than k. That is, you can find the coefficient of Pk by taking the innerproduct (defined as an integral) of the function with Pk. According to Wikipedia (yes, I had to look it up!) the coefficients of the function f(x) for the Legendre polynomials is
&lt;f, P_k&gt;= \frac{1}{2n+1}\int_0^1 f(x)P_k(x)dx
 
HallsofIvy
Thank you very much for your explanation. I understand now, the reasoning behind the equation.
On a technical note,
1. where does the term \frac{1}{2n+1}in front of the integral come from?&lt;br /&gt; 2. why do we integrate from 0-1?&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; and lastly,&lt;br /&gt; 3. would the value of /etain our function \frac{1}{\sqrt{1 + \eta^{2} - 2\eta x}} play any role in our calculation of Pn&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;#039;s coefficients?
 
Ok, so I think I have the answer to my first two questions and for anyone reading this thread, I'm going to try to answer them.
1.
The term <br /> \frac{1}{2n+1}<br />
in front of the integral comes from the fact that the Lagendre polynomials are only orthogonal and not orthonormal.
By normalizing the polynomials, we can follow HallsofIvy's reasoning.
2.
The integral I believe should be taken from -1 to 1, since the polynomials Pn are orthogonal on -1\leqx\leq1.
Having said that, the term that is multiplied by the integral would be <br /> \frac{2}{2n+1}<br />
rather than <br /> \frac{1}{2n+1}<br />.

What HallsofIvy has done is that he's taken the parity (even/odd) of the functions into account. Since for any function f, the product of f and Pn is even.

I'm still working on 3. Hope this helps.
 
Actually I think the terms
\frac{1}{2n+1}
and
\frac{2}{2n+1}
should in fact be
\frac{2n+1}{1}
and
\frac{2n+1}{2}
respectively.
 

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