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The discussion revolves around the size of organisms living in deep waters compared to those on land, exploring the implications of environmental factors such as pressure and resource availability on organism size. Participants reference specific examples and studies related to deep-sea biology.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the assertion that deep-sea organisms are generally larger than terrestrial ones, suggesting that size is influenced by various ecological constraints such as food availability and predation.
  • One participant notes that while there are large organisms in the deep sea, many species remain small, and the pressure may not significantly affect their size due to their high water content.
  • Another participant acknowledges a mix-up between gravity and pressure, indicating a need for clarification on how these factors relate to organism size.
  • There is mention of the "island rule," which suggests a correlation between size trends in deep-sea creatures and other ecological factors, although it is noted that not all families conform to this trend.
  • References to specific studies and documentaries are provided to support various viewpoints, including the role of resource scarcity at the ocean's depths.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between organism size and environmental factors, with no consensus reached on whether deep-sea organisms are indeed larger than those on land or the reasons behind their sizes.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the complexity of factors influencing organism size, including ecological constraints and the relative effects of pressure and gravity, without resolving these nuances.

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Hello, I would like to ask why are organism which live in deep waters are much bigger than those that are living on land? For example in deep water you can find very big spiders. Shouldnt organisms be smaller because of the presure in big depths?
 
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I'm not sure if it is fair to suggest that organisms living in the deep sea are bigger than those on land. There are many constraints on the size at which species can evolve to, larger sizes may not be an advantage at all as they require more food, produce more waste heat and are more susceptible to changes in the food chain.

Getting back the the deep see there are not many organisms that are that large, food is scarce at the bottom of the sea. Options include predation, particularly on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremophile" and the rare occurrence of a large organism (e.g. whale) falling from higher waters. Whilst we're on the latter I remember seeing a wildlife documentary once where thousands of species had spent months breaking down a whale corpse all the way to the bone.

Regarding http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_sea#Biology" many species are still quite small in size i.e. measured in tens of centimetres. IMO The pressure may not have too much of an effect on size, remember that the creatures will be mainly water themselves, the density of water in them could be far greater than it is in us humans so as to match that of the environment pressure. High pressure is a relative thing.
 
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Osviux said:
Hello, I would like to ask why are organism which live in deep waters are much bigger than those that are living on land? For example in deep water you can find very big spiders. Shouldnt organisms be smaller because of the presure in big depths?

This book is *the best*:

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/books/nouvian/index.html

There are large organisms, but most appear to be very small and >95% water.
 
I think i mixed up gravity with pressure ;/
 
Osviux said:
Hello, I would like to ask why are organism which live in deep waters are much bigger than those that are living on land?

Where did you read this? Any references?

Osviux said:
For example in deep water you can find very big spiders.

I think you meant sea spiders.

Osviux said:
Shouldnt organisms be smaller because of the presure in big depths?

Like Ryan said, I don't think pressure (or gravity) would affect body size. Far more important factors are availability of resources and susceptibility to predation.
A very interesting observation is the island rule. While not exactly a rule since it
has been shown that many families do not comply with it, I have found a correlation between this trend and deep sea creatures in this study.
craigmcclain.com/Papers/McClain_J BIOGEO_2006.pdf
 
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