Definition of Cartesian Coordinate System

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The discussion centers on the definition of a Cartesian Coordinate System, exploring its properties, distinctions from other coordinate systems, and the implications of orthonormal basis vectors in various contexts. The scope includes theoretical aspects and conceptual clarifications related to coordinate systems in mathematics and physics.

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  • One participant proposes that a Cartesian Coordinate System is defined by having basis vectors that are the same for all points in R^n and are orthonormal at each point.
  • Another participant challenges the existence of normalized polar coordinates, suggesting that what exists is a normalized frame that provides a basis for the tangent space at each point, distinguishing between coordinate systems and frames.
  • A different participant agrees with the notion that a Cartesian coordinate system is characterized by derived sets of basis vectors that are everywhere orthonormal, asserting that this aligns with the definition of an affine coordinate system in Euclidean space.
  • One participant notes that Cartesian coordinates allow for a point represented as (a, b) in two dimensions, emphasizing the orthogonal projection into the axes and its generalization to n dimensions.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of normalized polar coordinates and the distinction between coordinate systems and frames. While some agree on the orthonormality condition for Cartesian coordinates, there is no consensus on the definitions and implications of other coordinate systems.

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I was asking myself what is the definition of a Cartesian Coordinate System. Can we say that it's a coordinate system such that

- the basis vectors are the same ##\forall x \in R^n##
- the basis vectors are orthonormal at each ##x \in R^n##

So for instance, normalized polar coordinates do not constitute a Cartesian coordinate System, because despite being orthonormal they will change with ##x \in R^n##.
 
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I don't think there is any such thing as normalised polar coordinates. What there is is a normalised frame (set of two vector fields) that gives a basis of two vectors for the tangent space at each point. It is important to understand the difference between a coordinate system, a basis for the tangent space at a point and a frame that maps each point to a basis for the tangent space at that point.

Unlike the frame that is derived from a polar coordinate system in the natural way, there is no coordinate system from which the frame of normalised polar vectors can be derived. Schutz calls this a non-coordinate basis (I'd call it a 'frame') and he uses the normalised polar basis (frame) as his prime example of such a thing. See section 5.5 of his 'A First Course in General Relativity'.

I think it follows that we can say that a Cartesian coordinate system for ##\mathbb R^n## is one for which the derived sets of basis vectors are everywhere orthonormal.
 
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andrewkirk said:
I think it follows that we can say that a Cartesian coordinate system for RnRn\mathbb R^n is one for which the derived sets of basis vectors are everywhere orthonormal.
This is correct. The definition of a Cartesian coordinate system is that it is an affine coordinate system on a Euclidean space sich that the basis vectors are orthonormal. It is easy to show that this is equivalent to the above statement.
 
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Cartesian coordinates have the property that the point with x=a, y=b has the coordinate representation (a,b). This comes from the Ortho projection into the axes. And, of course, this generalizes to n dimensions.
 
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