Definition of Order of Operations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the definition and rationale behind the order of operations in mathematics, particularly focusing on why certain operations, like exponents, are prioritized over others, such as addition and subtraction. Participants explore the implications of these conventions in mathematical notation and their historical context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the order of operations was defined by mathematicians primarily for the convenience of working with polynomials.
  • Others argue that while the order of operations is arbitrary, it serves to avoid ambiguity in mathematical expressions, similar to the "right-hand rule" in geometry.
  • A participant notes that in some programming languages, such as Lisp, every operation must be parenthesized, highlighting the convenience of the conventional order of operations.
  • One participant emphasizes that the established order (PEMDAS) allows for a parentheses-free representation of polynomials, which is seen as beneficial for clarity and ease of use.
  • There is a suggestion that if the order were defined differently, such as PSADME, it would complicate the notation without fundamentally changing the underlying mathematics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the order of operations is a matter of convenience and notation, but there is no consensus on whether there is a "natural" explanation for the specific order chosen. Multiple competing views on the rationale and implications of the order remain present.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the lack of exploration into the historical development of the order of operations and the potential impact of different notational systems on mathematical understanding.

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I realize now that I took something for granted when I first learned it god knows when.. So I though of starting a discussion as to why were the order of operations defined the way they were? I mean, is there some kind of natural explanation as to why we should compute exponents first and additions and subtractions last? Or is it one of those "right-hand rule" dilemmas where we are just trying to avoid one question having multiple answers?
 
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The order of operations was defined by mathematicians. From what I know, most likely to make writing polynomials easier.

Certainly you can define the order of operations in a variety of ways. But it makes things look unnatural.

For example

Take 5x^2 + 3x + 10 under the normal order of operations.

Now say that addition should come before muliplication.

Let's try to re-write that same polynomial.

(5x^2) + (3x) + 10

I have to add parenthesis here to get the same result.

I guess my point is that in the math we use, we made the order of operations the way it is for convenience. I think that it kind of makes sense the way it is. Without going into too much details think about how you first learned multiplication.

You were probably told that 5*4 = 5 + 5 + 5 + 5.

When you learned about exponents, you were probably told that 5^3 = 5 * 5 * 5 = (5 + 5 + 5 + 5 + 5) * 5 = 5 + 5 + 5 ... + 5

There is a nice hierarchy here that is well preserved in the way we think about them.
 
Order of operations is a notational shorthand that was created for convenience of working with polynomials.

In some computer languages, notably Lisp, there is not such concept. Instead, you have to parenthesize EVERY operation.

Instead of x^2 + 2x + 1, you have to write (+ (+ (pow x 2) (* 2 x)) 1). It's rather obnoxious! But, from a computer science standpoint, it is absolutely trivial to parse.

Note that the order of operations is completely arbitrary, with the exception of parentheses which have a special syntactic interpretation. If instead of PEMDAS we chose PSADME, we would instead write the above expression as

(x^2) + (2x) + 1

The PEMDAS order is such that the normal form of any polynomial (the form: a_n x^n + a_n-1 x^(n-1) + ... + a_0) is always parentheses-free.
 
V0ODO0CH1LD said:
I realize now that I took something for granted when I first learned it god knows when.. So I though of starting a discussion as to why were the order of operations defined the way they were? I mean, is there some kind of natural explanation as to why we should compute exponents first and additions and subtractions last? Or is it one of those "right-hand rule" dilemmas where we are just trying to avoid one question having multiple answers?

I found a couple of interesting links.

http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/52582.html

and

http://jeff560.tripod.com/grouping.html
 

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