Definition of the boundary map for chain complexes

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The discussion revolves around the definition of the boundary operator in homology theory, specifically comparing different definitions found in literature. Participants explore the implications of including a factor of (-1)i in the boundary operator and its relevance depending on the choice of coefficients.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes two definitions of the boundary operator, highlighting a difference involving a factor of (-1)i and questions its significance.
  • Another participant asserts that with Z2 coefficients, signs do not matter, supporting the Wikipedia definition of the boundary operator as generally correct.
  • A participant reflects on the nature of generating groups freely and the implications for choosing coefficient groups, suggesting that this may involve quotients of free groups.
  • Another participant emphasizes that in homology, one starts with free abelian groups on simplices and later chooses coefficients by tensoring, clarifying that homology groups are always abelian.
  • A participant humorously acknowledges a previous omission of the term "abelian" in their explanation, which could lead to confusion.

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Participants express differing views on the significance of the factor of (-1)i in the boundary operator and the implications of coefficient choices, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a clear consensus.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the definitions of the boundary operator and the nature of the groups involved, which remain unresolved.

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I've been poking around, learning a little about homology theory. I had a question about the boundary operator. Namely, how it's defined.

There's two definitions I've seen floating around. The first is at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplicial_homology

The second, at

http://www.math.wsu.edu/faculty/bkrishna/FilesMath574/S12/LecNotes/Lec16_Math574_03062012.pdf

The only difference seems to be the inclusion of a factor of (-1)i inside the sums.

My guess is that the extra factor doesn't matter, since there is some choice in how you construct chain. In other words, the fact that you're working with a FREE abelian group over the p-simplexes of your complex, flipping the signs results in an isomorphic group.

(If that's not the case, my other guess would be that the latter only works in Z/2Z, where sign doesn't matter anyway).

Is my reasoning sound? Or am I missing something?
 
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With Z2 coefficients signs don't matter since minus 1 and one are the same. The Wikipedia definition of boundary is correct in general. You can check this with examples.
 
Ah. Thank you.

Now that I think about it, you can' "choose" what group you want the coefficients to be in if your generating your groups freely anyway.

(I'm guessing that would be some quotient of the free group, determined by the type of coefficient you're interested in, but I'll worry about that later).
 
Tac-Tics said:
Ah. Thank you.

Now that I think about it, you can' "choose" what group you want the coefficients to be in if your generating your groups freely anyway.

(I'm guessing that would be some quotient of the free group, determined by the type of coefficient you're interested in, but I'll worry about that later).

In homology I think you start with the free abelian group on simplices, define the boundary operator, then choose other coefficients than the integers by tensoring (over Z) each group with the coefficient group.You never start with a free group, always a free abelian group. It is a characterisitc of homology that the groups are always abelian, unlike the fundamental group which usually is not abelian.
 
Yes. I meant "abelian", but omitted it to introduce some confusion :)
 

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