Very basic question about cohomology.

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The discussion revolves around the practical implications and conceptual understanding of cohomology theory in mathematics, particularly in relation to its applications in physics and topology. Participants explore the abstract nature of cohomology compared to homology, its algebraic structures, and methods for computing cohomology groups.

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  • One participant questions the practicality of cohomology theory, contrasting it with homology, which they find more intuitive due to its geometric interpretations.
  • Another participant asserts that cohomology is frequently used in physical equations, referencing Stokes' theorem and De Rham cohomology as examples.
  • It is noted that cohomology groups possess a cup product structure that provides additional information about a space, which can differ even among spaces with identical homology groups.
  • Discussion includes the idea that for oriented compact manifolds, integer cohomology classes can be represented by intersections of cycles, which relate to the topology of the manifold.
  • A participant inquires about general procedures for finding co-chain or cohomology groups, leading to a suggestion of using the Mayer-Vietoris sequence as a technique for computation.
  • Another participant provides a specific example involving the torus, discussing how its homology groups can be analyzed through intersection counts of cycles.

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Participants express differing views on the practicality and intuitive understanding of cohomology compared to homology. While some highlight its applications in physics, others remain uncertain about its abstract nature and computational methods. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the overall utility of cohomology theory.

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Participants mention various techniques and examples, such as the Mayer-Vietoris sequence and the torus, but do not provide a comprehensive or universally applicable method for computing cohomology groups. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions and interpretations regarding the definitions and applications of cohomology.

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I am self leaning some basic cohomology theory and I managed to go through from the definition to the universal coefficient theorem. But I don't think I get the main point of this theory, I like to ask this questions:
Is such an abstract theory practical?

I would say that homology is practical, because the chain groups could be built on the basis of maps from simplexes to the space, which is intuitive and easy to operate. Since the boundary operator also has clear geometric meaning, at least in theory one can just write down the chain group and follow a well defined procedure to compute the homology group.

For the cochain groups ##C_n^ * = Hom({C_n},G)## , the elements are just homomorphisms. This construction is too abstract that I cannot see what is this group look like and how is cohomology gorup ##\ker /im## computed. If one cannot easily do these things, why would we even need this theory ?
 
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Cohomology groups have a natural multiplication called the cup product that turns them into a graded algebra. These products give more information about a space than the homology groups. There are even examples of spaces with identical homology (with any coefficients) but whose cup product structure is not the same. This is one reason why cohomology is important.
 
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For oriented compact manifolds, integer cohomology classes can be expressed as intersections of cycles of complementary dimension. If you think of trying to completely separate two submanifolds of complementary dimension then the intersection number (the oriented count of the number of intersection points) is an obstruction to being able to do this. If you ignore the orientation then you get a cohomology class with ##Z_2## coefficients. This tells you something about the topology of the manifold.
 
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lavinia said:
For oriented compact manifolds, integer cohomology classes can be expressed as intersections of cycles of complementary dimension. If you think of trying to completely separate two submanifolds of complementary dimension then the intersection number (the oriented count of the number of intersection points) is an obstruction to being able to do this. If you ignore the orientation then you get a cohomology class with ##Z_2## coefficients. This tells you something about the topology of the manifold.
Thanks very much, I need time to understand all this. But before that, given a space, is there a general procedure to find the co-chain group or cohomology group?
 
lichen1983312 said:
Thanks very much, I need time to understand all this. But before that, given a space, is there a general procedure to find the co-chain group or cohomology group?

Not that I have seen. One technique that often works is to divide the space up into subspaces whose cohomology is easy and then fit the pieces together. This can often be done with a Mayer-Vietoris sequence. This sequence can be used for both homology and cohomology.
 
lichen1983312 said:
Thanks very much, I need time to understand all this. But before that, given a space, is there a general procedure to find the co-chain group or cohomology group?
A simple case is the torus. Its first homology group is generated by two orthogonal circles that intersect in a single point. These circles can be taken to be the equator of the torus and the orthogonal circle that cycles through the hole. Intersecting homology classes with either one of the circles and counting the number of intersection points (with orientation) produces a homomorphsim of the first homology group into the integers.

The homomorphism corresponding to one of the circles maps the homology class of that circle to zero and the homology class of the orthogonal circle to 1. The interesting thing to see is that the intersection count is always the same for any representative of either homology class as long as the intersection is transversal - that is: as long as the two curves cross over each other at each intersection point.

For a homomorphisminto into ##Z_{2}## assign 1 if the number of intersections is odd and 0 if the number of intersections is even. Note for instance that if one distorts one of the two orthogonal circles so that it intersects the other in more than one point, an even number of new intersection points is created so the mod 2 count is unchanged. The oriented count is also unchanged.
 
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