Definition of the determinant i = 1

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The discussion revolves around the definition of the determinant in the context of linear algebra, specifically focusing on a lemma related to determinants of matrices with specific row configurations. Participants explore the implications of the lemma, the notation used, and the assumptions regarding the standard ordered basis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a lemma stating that if row i of matrix B equals e_k, then det(B) = (-1)^(i+k)det(B_i_k).
  • Questions arise regarding the statement that the result follows immediately from the definition of the determinant when i = 1.
  • Another participant agrees that a scalar coefficient is typically involved in calculating a determinant but notes that in this case, B_i_k is equal to 1.
  • Further clarification is sought on whether all elements of the standard ordered basis e_k are equal to 1, questioning the assumption of the ordered basis for a specific row.
  • Participants discuss the notation, with one suggesting that if row i of B equals e2, then it represents the vector (0,1,0,0,…).

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the notation and assumptions about the standard ordered basis. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the lemma or the implications of the notation used.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions made about the standard ordered basis and the implications of the lemma in the context of determinants. The notation and its interpretation are also points of contention.

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definition of the determinant i = 1"

Lemma:Let B be an element in [tex]M_n_x_n(F)[/tex], where n >= 2. If row i of B equals [tex]e_k[/tex] for some k (1<= k <= n ), then det(B) = (-1)[tex]^i^+^kdet(B_i_k).[/tex]

Proof: The proof is by mathematical induction on n. The lemma is easily proved for n = 2. Assume that for some integer n >= 3, the lemma is true for (n-1) x (n-1) matrices, and let B be an nxn matrix in which row i of B equals [tex]e_k[/tex]for some k (1<=k<=n). The result follows immediately from the definition of the determinant i = 1.

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1. Can someone help me understand/prove the italized text above.. "...follows from immediately from the definition of the determinant i = 1"

2. And how does det(B) = (-1)[tex]^i^+^kdet(B_i_k).[/tex]? Why isn't there a coefficient in that equation [tex]B_i_,_k[/tex]? This questions is not necessary I guess- since If i follow and understand the proof in the book the logic will work out- but I always thought that in calculating a determinant there would be a scalar coefficient- thus: det(B) = [tex]B_i_,_k[/tex](-1)[tex]^i^+^kdet(B_i_k).[/tex]

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JL
 
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Hi jeff1evesque! :smile:

(try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)
jeff1evesque said:
… I always thought that in calculating a determinant there would be a scalar coefficient- thus: det(B) = [tex]B_i_,_k[/tex](-1)[tex]^i^+^kdet(B_i_k).[/tex]

Yes, that's right …

but in this case, Bik is 1. :wink:
 


tiny-tim said:
Hi jeff1evesque! :smile:

(try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)


Yes, that's right …

but in this case, Bik is 1. :wink:


That would imply that every [tex]e_k = 1[/tex]. The symbol e stands for the standard ordered basis- for our particular row 1 correct? So for row i, are all the elements e (standard ordered basis) equal to 1? But how can you assume the ordered basis for our row is all 1's? The e's simply denote the order of the basis for this particular row [tex]F^n[/tex].

Thanks so much,


JL
 
Hi jeff1evesque! :smile:
jeff1evesque said:
That would imply that every [tex]e_k = 1[/tex]. The symbol e stands for the standard ordered basis- for our particular row 1 correct? So for row i, are all the elements e (standard ordered basis) equal to 1? But how can you assume the ordered basis for our row is all 1's? The e's simply denote the order of the basis for this particular row [tex]F^n[/tex].

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the notation, but I think it means that eg if row i of B equals e2, then row i is (0,1,0,0,…)
 

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