Degeneracy of energy levels greater than no. of particles?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of degeneracy of energy levels in statistical mechanics, specifically addressing the relationship between the number of degenerate states and the number of particles occupying those states. The scope includes theoretical aspects and mathematical proofs related to statistical mechanics.

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  • One participant references a statement from Zeemansky's book regarding the degeneracy of energy levels being greater than the number of particles occupying those levels, seeking a mathematical proof.
  • Another participant requests an exact quote from the book to clarify the context of the statement.
  • A later post provides a quote from the book, explaining that the number of quantum states corresponding to an energy level is much larger than the number of particles at room temperature, and presents a mathematical relationship involving the partition function.
  • Some participants suggest that the inquiry has shifted to a homework-type problem, indicating that further assistance should be sought in a dedicated homework forum.

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Participants generally agree that the discussion pertains to a theoretical problem in statistical mechanics, but there is no consensus on how to approach the proof or whether it should be treated as a homework problem.

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The discussion includes references to specific mathematical relationships and concepts such as the partition function, but lacks a complete resolution or proof for the initial inquiry about degeneracy.

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From statistical mechanics in zeemansky's book . He states that it's easy to see that for a closed system the no. Of degenerate states ##g_i## for energy level ##E_i## is greater than the number of particles ##N_i##occupying that energy state. I can't find a mathematical proof for it. Can I get any hints on how to prove this? A proof would be even better.
 
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Could you give an exact quote?
 
"However close they may be, there is still only a finite number of discrete energy levels for the atoms of an ideal gas. It is the fundamental problem of statistical mechanics to determine, at the equilibrium, the populations of these energy levels - that is, the number of particles ##N_1## having energy ##\epsilon_1##, the number of particles ##N_2## having energy ##\epsilon_2##, and so on. It is a simple matter to show (see Prob 13.4) that the number of quantum states ##g_i## corresponding to energy level ##\epsilon_i## (the degeneracy of this level) is very much larger than the number of particles ##N_i## occupying that the level at room temperature, Thus: ##g_i >> N_i##

This is problem 13.4:

Show that, when N ideal-gas atoms come to equilibrium,
$$\frac{g_i}{N_i} = \frac{Z}{N}e^{\frac{\epsilon_i}{kT}}$$ and $$\frac{Z}{N}=\frac{(kT)^{5/2}}{P} \left( \frac{2\pi m}{h^2} \right)^{3/2}$$

Z seems to be the partition function
 
This has now become a homework-type problem. For further help with this precise statement, you will have have to open a new thread in a homework forum and have an attempt at a solution. And yes, ##Z## is the partition function.
 
DrClaude said:
This has now become a homework-type problem. For further help with this precise statement, you will have have to open a new thread in a homework forum and have an attempt at a solution. And yes, ##Z## is the partition function.
Okay.
 

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