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News Delhi gang-rape victim dies in hospital in Singapore

  1. Dec 28, 2012 #1
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    lisab

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    Yes I also think the same, this is the reason I think there's no solution in foreseeable future. Cultures take time to change and in Asia/Africa are lagging far behind the current time.

    If death penalty is the worst punishment that can be given, least it's the thing that the offenders deserve the most IMO.
     
  5. Dec 28, 2012 #4

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    As an Indian by ethnicity and a Singaporean by nationality, this heinous crime horrifies me. I'm a doctor, but I had no direct role in her care. I'm immensely saddened by the poor girl's death, but hope she's found some sort of peace (even though I don't believe in an afterlife).

    The most insensitive comments pertaining to this incident have come, ironically enough, from a woman, and an educated one at that (a supposed "agricultural scientist"):

    Source: http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/MP...to-rape-says-woman-scientist-4128063-NOR.html

    Truly appalling. This woman's statement makes me sick. She chose to blame the girl - instead of blaming a culture that:

    1) treats men as axiomatically superior to women; that in fact, still considers women chattel in many instances

    2) places the burden of guilt and shame on hapless rape victims by actually asking them to marry their tormentors

    What happened to this poor girl is very, very tragic, but all too common in Delhi. Delhi is about the worst place in India when it comes to the euphemistically-labelled "eve teasing" (which amounts to molestation) and rape. Most other places in India are nowhere near as bad. But this one story out of Delhi has disgraced a nation.

    While it is imprudent for a young girl to go out late at night given the appalling lack of safety in Delhi, she should not be assigned any blame for what happened to her. If I get mugged while wearing a flash watch, it doesn't mitigate the culpability of the mugger in any way. Anita Shukla could have spoken about the need to change the very culture of that place, and remonstrated on measures that should be taken - e.g. increased police patrols, harsher penalties against rapists, social campaigns to destigmatise rape - but instead chose to go for the soft target. Shame on her.
     
  6. Dec 28, 2012 #5

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    I don't see how the rape itself can be attributed to culture considering rape happens everywhere even in the so called "modernized" culture of the United States. Maybe focusing on the rampant corruption and blatant disregard for living things exhibited by the police and government there would be something worth targeting.
     
  7. Dec 28, 2012 #6
    I was looking on wikipedia Rape statistics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics). You will see Sweden and the US have higher numbers while countries like India are at the bottom. It's the culture that prevents women from reporting. One another story came up was about a girl who reported but the police did not responded well so she committed suicide. Only god knows how many incidents like this happen in India every single day.

    Further, rape is only a tip of iceberg. There are many other women related issues in those regions like domestic abuse, child marriages etc.
    There was one similar statement from a politician (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-20852513). It's sad how lightly they considered this matter.
     
  8. Dec 28, 2012 #7

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    Well I've been taught all my teenage life very different reasons for why women don't report i.e. fear or shame etc. While I don't deny what you are commenting on culture, I just feel the disgusting nature of the police should be handled first. The policemen anger me beyond means.
     
  9. Dec 29, 2012 #8

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    This news has made me sad too. I thought she might make it safe in Singapore. Having read about the crime, it angers me greatly to see people blame the victim. I am stunned by the audacity of the crime and the fact that no one has been arrested yet and charged with murder.
     
  10. Dec 29, 2012 #9

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    The medical evacuation was likely done for political expediency. India certainly has the medical facilities (in metropolitan centres like Delhi) to have cared for her, but she was probably moved because they didn't want to added PR headache of having her die there. I guess they wanted to make it look like they did everything within their power to save her, hence the transfer to a private hospital here in Singapore at the Indian government's expense. But the point is: you don't transfer a critically-ill patient over a long distance unless it's absolutely necessary. It wasn't medically-indicated, and in fact, her transfer was probably contraindicated by her condition. I think her fate was sealed either way, but what angers me is that the decision was probably taken out of political cowardice, a "pass-the-buck" mentality rather than a genuine desire to help the girl.



    This is not true. They've been arrested a while back, and the one supposed to be the ring-leader (Mukesh) is having a VERY unpleasant time in prison, courtesy of the other inmates (probably nothing on what this poor innocent girl went through, of course). And they're being charged with murder. See: http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/delhi-police-to-invoke-murder-chargesrapists/200917/on
     
  11. Dec 29, 2012 #10

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    You're right I just saw this as I read more. So many articles focus on the victim and police inaction that it seemed they hadn't been identified or arrested.

    With respect to the hospital transfer, it seemed that it was done to protect her from the media but I think your theory is more likely. It's very wrong to move a critically ill patient for any reason unless you have no choice.

    I've heard of cases that happens here where someone dies at a worksite and is taken away by the ambulance and its reported that they died enroute to the hospital.
     
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    I am saddened by the girl's death. With the news reports we were getting here for the past few days citing improvements in her condition, I had assumed she was under care and would recuperate eventually. But the sudden "she's critical!!" and her death following the transfer to Singapore, leads me to believe that the whole issue is much politicized. With the personal exposure to similar events in local news which rarely make it to the international media, I'd say this particular issue is "politically over publicized". I have repeatedly come to know about more brutal and violent crimes against women in this part of the world, which hardly made national headlines.(see "honour killings" that happen in India for starters. And I can provide more links upon request, as posting the links here would derail this thread)

    In reply to Curious3141, though I don't agree with Anitha Shukla completely, I'd say that, given an untrustworthy police, I'd never recommend a women to roam the streets of Delhi after 10pm with her boyfriend. A lot more rape happens here when a boy & girl are found to have illicit relationship before marriage and are caught by "gangsters" who rape the girl and the matter is never reported for fear of the girl's future (Very few would agree to marry a rape victim in these parts).

    P.S. I'd like to add that my views here are not intended to be in any way insensitive to the issue as I have been told in other forums, which IMO, when taken at this time might seem harsh to some people but in the longer run might receive a different reaction.
     
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    I'm actually curious why this got so much attention. This happens in the US too but you don't see this type of response, the media actually seems to ignore it...
     
  14. Dec 29, 2012 #13
    Gang rape --> media coverage --> initial public outrage --> more media coverage --> more outrage-->regional headlines --> more media coverage --> more outrage --> national headlines-->more media coverage --> more outrage --> international coverage
    most issues would die down after the third "media coverage"..
     
  15. Dec 29, 2012 #14
    When would you recommend that a woman 'roams' the streets of Delhi, or any other city for that matter? With whom? And with whose approval? Stop blaming the victims.

    I disagree. I find your comment highly insensitive, patronizing and offensive.
     
  16. Dec 29, 2012 #15
    I would recommend any women I know to roam the street of Delhi (or anywhere in India), sight seeing or just for the sake of it, with whomever they want as long as it is not after 10pm. That would be my advice to my friends. And I did not blame any victims in my post.

    Sorry you felt that way.
     
  17. Dec 29, 2012 #16
    So 10 pm is the magical hour when all the pumpkins turn into monsters?
    And do you also back up these 'recommendations' of yours with a guarantee of safety, if someone should actually listen to you?
     
  18. Dec 29, 2012 #17
    I know you understand that I didn't mean that women are safe till 9.59 and are immediately in danger at 10.01. Also I'm also sure you don't think that I meant women are 100% safe before 10pm. I assumed you were competent enough to understand that the timing would vary depending on situation.

    Participation in a midnight protest in the heart of Delhi with police protection.? Okay.

    Roaming around dark streets in Delhi after midnight with boyfriend? No.

    Again, that would be the advice "I" would give to "my friends". And none of them ever asked me to back my claims with peer reviewed sources guaranteeing safety.

    Having a right to do something doesn't necessarily mean you can always do that without injuring yourself.
     
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    No, but we're not talking about injuring oneself here. This is grievous harm done to an innocent.

    And the first response shouldn't be to dissuade women from going out after dark. If there's a problem, the root cause should be addressed. These "gangsters" should be taken out in any way possible. One solution would be to send attractive young female officers who are thoroughly trained in weapons and unarmed combat *and* armed to the teeth out in plain clothes as bait. The would-be rapists who try their luck with these girls would live to regret it - if they're lucky enough. The unlucky ones can be claimed in the morgue by those they leave behind. In tandem with these measures, draconian penalties should be imposed on anyone who's convicted of sexual assault, especially violent sexual assault. A societal campaign to destigmatise rape with prominent representation from religious and secular community leaders should also be mooted, to break the conspiracy of shameful silence that claims many victims and leaves the crime under-reported.

    Those are the measures that I would think of. My first thought wouldn't be to instruct the women to adapt to the unjust situation that currently exists, but to redress it so that it becomes equitable and safe.
     
  20. Dec 29, 2012 #19

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    Rape is not a purely sexual act - it doesn't happen just because a girl is attractive. Rape is a matter of empowerment over and submission of the victim. Attractiveness seems to imply a solely sexual motive which isn't the case in general (or even the majority). Regardless, your suggestions are better than nil. Reminds me of tomb raider for some reason.
     
  21. Dec 29, 2012 #20
    If there was a lion harassing a village and you went out at night and got eaten, we would blame your stupidity. Then we would kill the lion. Why doesn't this village make itself safe? Is it because the safety of women is not 'our' safety?
     
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