Demonstrating Boundedness of Series cos(n): A Challenge

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating the boundedness of the series cos(n) for n=0,1,...,∞. Participants are exploring the properties of the cosine function and its implications for the series in question.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the individual bounds of the cosine function and question how these relate to the boundedness of the entire series. There are attempts to clarify the distinction between sequences and series, and some participants suggest using the exponential form of cosine to analyze the series.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and questioning each other's reasoning. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the relationship between the boundedness of individual terms and the overall series. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of geometric series, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to demonstrate boundedness.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of series convergence versus boundedness, with some expressing confusion over the implications of the geometric series and its partial sums. There is an acknowledgment that the series does not converge, but it is bounded, which is a point of contention and exploration.

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Homework Statement



I need to show that series cos(n) for n=0,1,...,inf is bounded.

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I understand that each of the terms of the sequence is bounded by 1. However, I cannot show the bound for the entire sequence? Could someone give some hints?
 
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So what's your bound for the individual terms?
 
Well ,obviously, -1 <= cos(n) <= 1, so |cos(n)| <=1
 
YAHA said:
Well ,obviously, -1 <= cos(n) <= 1, so |cos(n)| <=1

That's a bound for the sequence as well, isn't it?
 
How so? Thats not quite obvious to me.
 
If you call the general term of the sequence [itex]a_n=\cos n[/itex] then [itex]|a_n| \le 1[/itex]. Isn't that what you mean by a sequence bound?
 
Actually, I meant to say series, not sequence. I need to show bound of the series. My apologies.

Thus, for some n=N, the partial sum is bounded by N. I am struggling to show that the entire sum is bounded.
 
YAHA said:
Actually, I meant to say series, not sequence. I need to show bound of the series. My apologies.

Thus, for some n=N, the partial sum is bounded by N. I am struggling to show that the entire sum is bounded.

That's different! Try using [itex]e^{i n}=\cos n+i \sin n[/itex].
 
Do I need to express cos(n) as e[itex]^{in}[/itex] and then use geometric series?
 
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YAHA said:
Do I need to express cos(n) as e[itex]^{in}[/itex] and then use geometric series?

Find a partial sum of the geometric series [itex]e^{in}[/itex]. Then to find the partial sum of cos(n) just find the real part of that.
 
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I undestand. But isn't it easier to just find the total sum from 1 to infinity of the geometric series and essentially say that both cos(n) and sin(n) converge to the obtained number's real and imaginary parts respectively?
 
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YAHA said:
I undestand. But isn't it easier to just find the total sum from 1 to infinity of the geometric series and essentially say that both cos(n) and sin(n) converge to the obtained number's real and imaginary parts respectively?

The series doesn't converge. But it is bounded.
 
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But if you can obtain a finite number for geometric series of e[itex]^{in}[/itex], doesn't it mean that its real part is finite and cos(n) thus converges to a finite number? I think i am misunderstanding something.
 
  • #14
The geometric series formula gives you (1-r^(n+1))/(1-r) for a partial sum. The r^(n+1) part doesn't converge. You have to try to bound the partial sum.
 

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