Demonstration/proof advice needed

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The discussion revolves around learning how to perform mathematical demonstrations in Linear Algebra, specifically focusing on proving statements involving axioms and propositions. Participants share their challenges and seek advice on how to approach proofs, particularly for concepts like additive inverses and inverses of matrices.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding how to start proving statements, feeling that some results seem obvious but wanting to learn the underlying reasoning.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of starting with definitions, specifically the definition of the inverse, and suggests showing that a statement satisfies this definition.
  • A different participant challenges the notion of "obviousness," explaining that "-B" refers to the additive inverse and not simply multiplying by -1, and discusses the properties of additive inverses in a group.
  • One suggestion includes studying proofs from textbooks to recognize the axioms used in each step and learning techniques such as working backwards from the desired result.
  • Participants mention the importance of being aware of which axioms are applied at each step of a proof.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to understand definitions and axioms when proving statements, but there are varying opinions on how to approach the learning process and what constitutes an "obvious" proof.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the understanding of terms like "additive inverse" may depend on specific definitions used in their courses, which could affect how they approach proofs.

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Hello,

I'm presently taking a Linear Algebra I course (in French). I'm having difficulty learning how to do demonstrations using axioms/propositions.

For example, if I had to prove somcething like -(-B) = B or something like (B^-1)^-1=B, it just seems so obvious to me that its correct. I don't want the answer, I just want to learn how to basically prove simple problems like those so I can move on to harder ones.

I think the main thing I don't get is where do I start or what is the first thing I should do when I have demonstrations to do? (yes, I've looked at the list of axioms and such..)

Any insight would help!

Thanks,
 
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You have to start with the definitions. What is the definition of A^-1? it is the object that satisfies AX=XA=Id. So, what is B(B^-1)? It is Id, as is B^-1B, thus the inverse of B^-1 is B.

Take the definitions, and show that the thing in question satisfies the definition. This is why the most common piece of advice here is 'well, what is the definition of foo?' You'd be surprised (perhaps) at the number of people who don't know what it is that they are trying to prove and confuse that with the inability to prove it.
 
inner08 said:
Hello,

I'm presently taking a Linear Algebra I course (in French). I'm having difficulty learning how to do demonstrations using axioms/propositions.

For example, if I had to prove somcething like -(-B) = B or something like (B^-1)^-1=B, it just seems so obvious to me that its correct. I don't want the answer, I just want to learn how to basically prove simple problems like those so I can move on to harder ones.

I think the main thing I don't get is where do I start or what is the first thing I should do when I have demonstrations to do? (yes, I've looked at the list of axioms and such..)

Any insight would help!

Thanks,

What makes you think it is "obvious"? Because every one knows that (-1)(-1)(B)= B? That's missing the point. "-B" does not mean (-1)B. "-B" means "the additive inverse of B". In a group, every member has an additive inverse so given B, -B exists. And, then, it must have an additive inverse. What is the additive inverse of -B?

Presumably, your definition of additive inverse is something like: For any X in the group, -X is the unique member of the group such that X+ (-X)= 0 (the group identity) and (-X)+ X= 0. So the additive inverse of -B (call it "A" for the moment) must satisfy (-B)+ A= 0 and A+ (-B)= 0.

On the other hand, if you are saying it is obvious because of the "obvious" similarity of those equations defining the additive inverse, you are completely correct. Just write that down as clearly as you can!
 
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Hello inner08,

my advice would be to take a calculus or linear algebra book and follow some of those easy proofs. The important thing is to recognize which of the axioms is used in each step. You will then recognize tricks such as adding a zero.

inner08 said:
I think the main thing I don't get is where do I start or what is the first thing I should do when I have demonstrations to do? (yes, I've looked at the list of axioms and such..)

As mentioned above, you will learn about tricks such as adding a zero. If you don't know where to start it can help to work "backwards". First look which result you want to get, then work backwards.

Remember, in each step you have to be aware which axiom in the list you are using.

After you've followed some of the proofs, try to prove the statements yourself the next day.
Start with the easy ones.
 
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