Density matrix representation of a density operator

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The discussion revolves around the representation of density operators through density matrices, particularly in the context of quantum mechanics. Participants explore the implications of choosing different bases for density matrices, the challenges posed by infinite-dimensional Hilbert spaces, and the properties of density operators in these contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that a quantum pure state can be represented as a density operator and discusses the specific density matrix for a superposition state.
  • Another participant emphasizes that writing down the matrix components of an operator implies a chosen basis for the underlying Hilbert space.
  • A question is raised about the representation of density operators in infinite-dimensional Hilbert spaces, suggesting that a matrix with infinite dimensions may not be practical.
  • In response, a participant argues that infinite-dimensional representations are common in bosonic systems, citing the harmonic oscillator as an example.
  • Further discussion highlights that while density matrices can be infinite-dimensional, they must still adhere to properties such as being trace class.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the definition of a maximally mixed state in infinite dimensions, indicating that some mathematical definitions may not hold.
  • Participants discuss the nature of the support of density matrices, questioning whether it is countable or not.
  • There is mention of potential convergence issues when considering determinants in infinite-dimensional cases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of infinite-dimensional Hilbert spaces for density matrix representations. While some acknowledge the feasibility of infinite dimensions, others raise concerns about the mathematical definitions and properties applicable in such cases. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of these representations and their implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the properties of density operators may differ in infinite-dimensional spaces, and there are unresolved issues regarding the definitions of states and convergence in these contexts.

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About the representation of a density operator by means of a density matrix
A doubt related to the use of density matrix associated to a density operator ##\rho##.

A quantum pure state ##\ket {\psi}## can be written as density operator as ##\ket{\psi} \bra{\psi}##.

In this link the density matrix ##\rho## for the pure state ##\ket {\psi} =(\ket{\psi_1} + \ket{\psi_2})/\sqrt{2}## is given by $$\rho = \frac 1 2 \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 1 \\ 1 & 1 \end{pmatrix}$$ I believe this density matrix representation makes sense only w.r.t. a basis that includes the vectors ## \{ \ket{\psi_1}, \ket{\psi_2} \}## assumed to be orthonormal (the dimension/size of the density square matrix should be the dimension of the underlying system's Hilbert space).
 
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Certainly once you write down the matrix components of an operator you have chosen a basis. Not sure if you had a specific question in mind.
 
Haborix said:
Certainly once you write down the matrix components of an operator you have chosen a basis. Not sure if you had a specific question in mind.
Yes. The point I was making is that any density operator ##\rho## has a density matrix representation associated with a given basis chosen for the underlying Hilbert state space.

What if the Hilbert space is infinite dimensional (like the position/momentum state space) ? I don't think we get a matrix with an infinite number of rows and columns :rolleyes:
 
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Why not? This is typically the case for bosonic systems. Consider, e.g., a standard quantum mechanical harmonic oscillator in the Fock (occupation number) basis. In principle, the Hilbert space is infinite-dimensional. In practice, of course there is only a finite amount of energy available and you can truncate the Hilbert space at some point.

If you really want to look at continuous variables, it is often easier to change to a phase space formulation (e.g. the Wigner function) which contains the same information. The Wigner function is the Weyl transform of the density matrix.
 
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Cthugha said:
Why not? This is typically the case for bosonic systems. Consider, e.g., a standard quantum mechanical harmonic oscillator in the Fock (occupation number) basis.
Do you mean the square density matrix representation may have actually an infinite (countable) number of rows and columns ?
 
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Yes, but you of course still expect the typical properties a density operator needs to have, for example that they are trace class.

Of course one must be careful here from the mathematical and formal point of view as some things are different for infinite-dimensional stuff. For example, there is no really meaningful definition of a maximally mixed state in infinite dimensions.
 
cianfa72 said:
Do you mean the square density matrix representation may have actually an infinite (countable) number of rows and columns ?
It's not even restricted to countable infinities.
 
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cianfa72 said:
Do you mean the square density matrix representation may have actually an infinite (countable) number of rows and columns ?
And you may even have a determinant, though not always, as you will have convergence issues.
 
Nugatory said:
It's not even restricted to countable infinities.
Isn't the support, i.e., the set of nonzero entries, countable?
 

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