Depths of earthquakes - particularly deep earthquakes

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The discussion centers on the recent reports regarding the depths at which earthquakes can occur, particularly in California, and the implications of these findings for understanding seismic behavior. Participants explore the historical context of deep earthquakes and the recent discovery of new fault lines, including the Salton Trough Fault, while addressing media interpretations of scientific findings.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the media's portrayal of deep earthquakes, noting that significant deep earthquakes have been recorded for decades, such as the M5.0 event in the Philippines at 61.5 km depth.
  • Others highlight the recent discovery of the Salton Trough Fault and its potential implications for understanding seismic activity near the San Andreas Fault.
  • A participant mentions that the Newport-Inglewood Fault may extend down to the mantle, suggesting that this knowledge has been part of redefining tectonic models in the western US since 2001.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of popular reporting on seismic research, with participants noting that such misinterpretations can lead to public misunderstanding of seismic risks.
  • Some participants argue that the detection of deeper earthquakes has historically contributed to the acceptance of plate tectonics, emphasizing the importance of accurate scientific communication.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that deep earthquakes occur and have been observed beyond the depths reported in recent media articles. However, there is disagreement regarding the implications of recent discoveries and the accuracy of media interpretations of scientific findings.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion is influenced by varying interpretations of seismic data and the historical context of deep earthquakes, which may not be fully captured in recent media reports.

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I just read a headlines about "Earthquakes in California are discovered more than 15 miles deep."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/e994149f-34a9-3ab4-b16f-fd382e41b607/ss_earthquakes-in-california-are.html
Apparently that's a surprise for California. The article is attributed to the LA Times.

Then there is the first sentences, "Scientists in California have found that earthquakes can occur much deeper below the Earth’s surface than originally believed, a discovery that alters their understanding of seismic behavior and potential risks. Seismologists have long believed that earthquakes occur less than 12 to 15 miles underground in the planet’s brittle, rocky crust." However, we've been watching deep earthquakes, deeper than 15 miles for decades. One can find records on deep earthquakes on USGS.

For example,
M5.0 - 14km SSE of Las Navas, Philippines
2016-10-06 19:09:50 UTC 12.211°N 125.076°E
61.5 km depth
 
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Astronuc said:
Apparently that's a surprise for California. The article is attributed to the LA Times.
Have you read about the second fault next to the San Andreas fault they allegedly have found some days ago?
 
Localized seismic deformation in the upper mantle revealed by dense seismic arrays---http://science.sciencemag.org/content/354/6308/88. I was a bit stunned by all the media hype. Interestingly, the paper presents it more matter-of-factly. The real surprise in their work was that the Newport-Inglewood Fault possibly extended down to the mantle. In my last years of oil exploration in California, we had seismic data that showed major boundary faults in California and Nevada extended to the mantle. By 2001, that knowledge was the basis for pretty redefining the tectonic model of the western US. I don't recall quake intensities and depths along those faults, but it should be no great surprise that they would be deep.
 
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The "discovery" of the Salton Trough Fault is a bit odd. I can understand how the underwater portion might have been missed all these years, but it apparently tracks close to the San Andreas Fault onshore. Not so close that it couldn't be distinguished from the SAF.
 
fresh_42 said:
Have you read about the second fault next to the San Andreas fault they allegedly have found some days ago?
Well, it looks like they recently announced the discovery in the current issue of the Bulletin of the Seismological Society of America.

Geophysical Evidence for a San Andreas Subparallel Transtensional Fault along the Northeastern Shore of the Salton Sea
http://www.bssaonline.org/content/106/5/1963.abstract
"This study posits that the extensional deformation is due to a previously unmapped fault, here named the Salton trough fault (STF)."

New Southern California earthquake fault found near San Andreas
http://www.desertsun.com/story/weat...trough-fault-salton-sea-earthquakes/91609892/

Valerie Sahakian, a researcher with the U.S. Geological Survey and lead author of the study, said the newly named Salton Trough Fault has no connection to the recent quake swarm and the timing of the announcement is coincidental.

http://time.com/4521244/new-fault-line-california-salton-trough/

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/hazards/qfaults/map/#qfaults (is it the red dotted line on the eastern side of the Salton Sea?)
 
Astronuc said:
I just read a headlines about "Earthquakes in California are discovered more than 15 miles deep."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/e994149f-34a9-3ab4-b16f-fd382e41b607/ss_earthquakes-in-california-are.html
Apparently that's a surprise for California. The article is attributed to the LA Times.

Then there is the first sentences, "Scientists in California have found that earthquakes can occur much deeper below the Earth’s surface than originally believed, a discovery that alters their understanding of seismic behavior and potential risks. Seismologists have long believed that earthquakes occur less than 12 to 15 miles underground in the planet’s brittle, rocky crust." However, we've been watching deep earthquakes, deeper than 15 miles for decades. One can find records on deep earthquakes on USGS.

For example,
M5.0 - 14km SSE of Las Navas, Philippines
2016-10-06 19:09:50 UTC 12.211°N 125.076°E
61.5 km depth

seems typical of really bad reporting and mis-interpretation of what the seismologists probably said
this sort of mis-information really annoys me

we all know ( those of us into this stuff, at least) that quakes go much deeper than 10 - 15km
eg. the Philippines one mentioned and on terms of deep earthquakes, that one is really shallow
when the large subduction zones are looked at with quake depths to well over 600 kmDave
 
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davenn said:
seems typical of really bad reporting and mis-interpretation of what the seismologists probably said
this sort of mis-information really annoys me

we all know ( those of us into this stuff, at least) that quakes go much deeper than 10 - 15km
Indeed. The detection of ever deeper quakes, defining a descending plane, was one of the key pieces of evidence leading to the recognition and acceptance of plate tectonics. It astounds, frustrates and angers me when popular accounts make such egregious errors.
 
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