Derivation of a formula with trigonometric functions

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The discussion revolves around deriving a formula involving trigonometric functions, specifically related to the expression involving the cosine function and a positive integer variable r. Participants are exploring the validity of the formula and its derivation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants attempt to verify the formula by substituting specific integer values for r, while others question the clarity and correctness of the original formula presented. There are discussions about the implications of the cosine function at various angles and how it relates to the left-hand side of the equation.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing insights into the behavior of the cosine function for different integer values of r. There is a mix of attempts to clarify misunderstandings and requests for further explanation on the derivation process.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the notation used for r and its implications on the formula's validity. Some participants express uncertainty about the relationship between derivatives and the formula in question.

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Hi everyone,

Homework Statement



My problem is just to derive a simple formula, which is

http://www.texify.com/img/%5Cnormalsize%5C%21%28-1%29%5E%7Br%28r%2B1%29/2%7D%20%3D%5Csqrt%7B2%7D%20%5Cmbox%7Bcos%7D%20%5Cfrac%7B%5Cpi%7D%7B4%7D%282r%2B1%29.gif

Here r is a positive integer.

The Attempt at a Solution



I verified this formula by inserting r=4k ~ 4k+3 (k=0,1,2...), but I still have no idea how to derive it from the left hand side of the equation. Could anyone please help me out? Any help is appreciated.
 
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I don't know what you mean by "r=4k ~ 4k+3" but the equation is clearly NOT true for n= 0, 1, 2, etc.
 
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28-1%29^%28r%28r%2B1%29%2F2%29

go to derivate and click show steps.
 
Hello HallsofIvy,

Thank you very much for pointing out my mistake. I typed the wrong formula. I have corrected it. Would you please check it out again?

Thank you again.

HallsofIvy said:
I don't know what you mean by "r=4k ~ 4k+3" but the equation is clearly NOT true for n= 0, 1, 2, etc.
 
Hello the_epi,

Thanks for your help. But I checked the website and check the Derivative part, I still do not understand how the Derivative related to the formula above. Could you please explain?

Thanks a lot.


the_epi said:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28-1%29^%28r%28r%2B1%29%2F2%29

go to derivate and click show steps.
 
For r a positive integer, 2r+ 1 is odd so, dropping multiples of 2\pi, cos(\pi/4(2r+1) is cos(\pi/4)= \sqrt{2}/2, cos(3\pi/4)= -\sqrt{2}/2, cos(5\pi/4)= \sqrt{2}/2, and cos(7\pi/4)= -\sqrt{2}/2. So what does the left side give? I would look at r= 4n, 4n+1, 4n+2, and 4n+ 3 and compare to those values.
 
Thank you very much HallsofIvy. I did the same thing to check this equation.

But I do not know how to DERIVE it. Do you have any ideas? Thanks!


HallsofIvy said:
For r a positive integer, 2r+ 1 is odd so, dropping multiples of 2\pi, cos(\pi/4(2r+1) is cos(\pi/4)= \sqrt{2}/2, cos(3\pi/4)= -\sqrt{2}/2, cos(5\pi/4)= \sqrt{2}/2, and cos(7\pi/4)= -\sqrt{2}/2. So what does the left side give? I would look at r= 4n, 4n+1, 4n+2, and 4n+ 3 and compare to those values.
 
This formula holds only for r being an integer. Right ?
 
Yes!

SammyS said:
This formula holds only for r being an integer. Right ?
 
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j1221 said:
Yes!
Then \displaystyle\cos\left(\frac{\pi}{4}(2r+1)\right)=\cos\left(\frac{\pi}{2}r+\frac{\pi}{4}\right)\,.
Use the angle addition identity for the cosine.
 

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