Derivation of electric potential due to point charge

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The discussion focuses on the derivation of electric potential due to a point charge, specifically using the formula V=-KQ∫(1/r²)ds cos(θ). It emphasizes the importance of understanding the direction of the electric field and the displacement vector (ds) when moving a test charge from infinity to a point P. The radial direction is defined as the straight line from the charge to infinity, simplifying the integration process. Participants clarify the relationship between the work done by external forces and the electric field, advocating for a vector-based approach over angular notation.

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Electric potential is the work done in moving a unit charge from infinity to a point in an electric field.

Electric potential due to point charge:
V=-\int \vec{E}\cdot d\vec{s}
V=-\int E\cdot ds cos \vartheta
if the stationary charge is positive and
if the test charge is is moved from infinity to point P
then
V=-\int E\cdot ds cos 180
V=-KQ \int \frac {1}{r^2} ds cos 180

now how to solve further
as stationary charge is positive the electric field is outward i.e. from p to infinity
and movement of charge is from infinity to P
specially the signs and the direction of the field and the direction of ds
and definite integration from P to infinity or from infinity to P?
please give some imaginary picture or idea of how the test charge moves
I am confused with it please help.
 

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If the angle between E and ds is 180o, then, where in what direction is ds directed?
 
from infinity towards Q
now i have attached an image in the original post
 
Yes, but how do we call this direction? It has a "special relation" to one of the variables in your equations.
 
it should have relation with
\frac {1}{r^2}
 
Yes. How do we call a straight line starting from a point a going to infinity?
 
i imagined that it may be a straight line i.e. the shortest distance between infinity and P
 
This straight line is called a ray, and the direction is called radial direction. On it, ds = dr. You need to use this.
 
I am confused with the signs and directions of ds ,dr and test charge and also
how work done by external element is negative of work done by electric field.
 
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I never understood, why integration in tensor calculus is obscured by some awkward notation. I guess, many textbook writers think, it's more intuitive to work with angles instead of vectors, but that's not true. To calculate a line integral, it's much more convenient to use the definition of that type of integral. Let \vec{V}(\vec{x}) be a vector field, defined in some domain of \mathbb{R}^3 and C: \lambda \in \mathbb{R} \supseteq (a,b) \mapsto \vec{x}(\lambda) \in \mathbb{R}^3 with values in the definition domain of \vec{V}. Then the line integral over the vector field along the path C is defined as

\int_C \mathrm{d} \vec{x} \cdot \vec{V}(\vec{x})=\int_{a}^{b} \mathrm{d} \lambda \frac{\mathrm{d} \vec{x}(\lambda)}{\mathrm{d} \lambda} \cdot \vec{V}[\vec{x}(\lambda)].
 
  • #11
The lines of forces are very simple in this case.
Fhsst_electrost25.png

Now you don't have to worry about the signs and angles here. Just simply use the formula for moving a charge through an electric field and you'll get it.
I hope this helps.
Thank you.
 

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