Derivation of g Factor and Missing Basic Steps in Calculation

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the g factor in angular momentum calculations, specifically addressing missing steps in the calculations related to the angular momentum operators and their properties. Participants explore the mathematical expressions involved and the implications of these expressions in the context of quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in arriving at a specific result in the calculation involving the coefficient ##g_L## and notes a potential missing basic step.
  • Another participant explains the behavior of angular momentum operators, providing expressions for ##\vec{L}^2##, ##\vec{S}^2##, and ##\vec{J}^2##, and discusses how the g factor is computed by considering the component of ##\vec{L}## along ##\vec{J}##.
  • Some participants point out that the calculation of the g factor involves taking the dot product of ##\vec{\mu_J}## with ##\vec{J}## and solving for ##g_J##, which leads to the inclusion of ##\vec{J}^2## in the denominator.
  • There is a mention of a potential mistake in a referenced link regarding the inclusion of the magnitude of ##\vec{J}## versus its direction in the calculations.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the missing steps in the calculation, and multiple viewpoints regarding the derivation and interpretation of the g factor remain present.

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Some expressions and steps in the derivation are noted as potentially clumsy or necessary, indicating that there may be unresolved aspects in the mathematical reasoning presented.

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I was just going through the calculation to go from the top line to the bottom and was just not arriving at the same result. Working backwards and just looking at the first term (i.e. the one with coefficient ##g_L## I get):

## \frac {J^2 + J + L^2 + L - S^2 - S}{2(J^2 + J)} = \frac {L^2 + S^2 + 2LS + L + S + L^2 + L - S^2 - S}{2(L^2 + S^2 + 2LS + L + S)} = \frac{L^2 + LS + L}{J(J + 1)} ## (assuming L and S commute)

Although this is not equivalent to the above expression and it appears I am missing something very basic. Any help with this would be great.
 
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These angular momentum operators behave in a somewhat odd fashion, e.g. ## \vec{L}^2=(L+1)(L) (\hbar)^2 ## and ##\vec{S}^2=(S+1)(S)(\hbar)^2 ## and ## \vec{J}^2= (\vec{L}+\vec{S})^2=\vec{L}^2+2 \vec{L} \cdot \vec{S}+\vec{S}^2 ##. From this last expression, one can solve for ## \vec{L} \cdot \vec{S} ##. The ## g_J ## factor is found by computing the component of ## \vec{L} ## along ## \vec{J} ## by taking ## \vec{L} \cdot \vec{J}/|\vec{J}| ## and putting it in the ## \vec{J}/|\vec{J}| ## direction. The result is a ## |\vec{J}^2|=(J+1)(J)(\hbar)^2 ## in the denominator. (Similarly for the ## S ## term, with a ## g_L ## on the ## L ## term and a ## g_S ## on the ## S ## term.)
 
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Charles Link said:
These angular momentum operators behave in a somewhat odd fashion, e.g. ## \vec{L}^2=(L+1)(L) (\hbar)^2 ## and ##\vec{S}^2=(S+1)(S)(\hbar)^2 ## and ## \vec{J}^2= (\vec{L}+\vec{S})^2=\vec{L}^2+2 \vec{L} \cdot \vec{S}+\vec{S}^2 ##. From this last expression, one can solve for ## \vec{L} \cdot \vec{S} ##. The ## g_J ## factor is found by computing the component of ## \vec{L} ## along ## \vec{J} ## by taking ## \vec{L} \cdot \vec{J}/|\vec{J}| ## and putting it in the ## \vec{J}/|\vec{J}| ## direction. The result is a ## |\vec{J}^2|=(J+1)(J)(\hbar)^2 ## in the denominator. (Similarly for the ## S ## term, with a ## g_L ## on the ## L ## term and a ## g_S ## on the ## S ## term.)

Thank you for the explanation. It appears in this link (towards the end, above the equations I posted above) that they mistakenly include the magnitude of ## \vec{J}##and did not only consider its direction.
 
TheCanadian said:
Thank you for the explanation. It appears in this link (towards the end, above the equations I posted above) that they mistakenly include the magnitude of ## \vec{J}##and did not only consider its direction.
I think I see what they did. They take ## \vec{\mu_J}=g_J \mu_B \vec{J} ## and dot both sides with ## \vec{J} ##. They then solve for ## g_J ##. The ## \vec{J}^2 ## winds up in the denominator. (Note ## \vec{\mu_J}=\vec{\mu_L} +\vec{\mu_S} ##). Their summation is a somewhat clumsy, but perhaps necessary step. In any case, I think you are starting to get a handle on the topic.
 

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