Undergrad Derivative of a Variation vs Variation of a Derivative

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The discussion centers on the mathematical justification for the commutation of variations and derivatives in the context of classical field theory. Specifically, when varying a field defined as ##\phi^{'} = \phi + \delta \phi##, the relationship ##\partial_{\mu}(\delta \phi) = \delta(\partial_{\mu}\phi)## holds true when coordinates remain fixed. This principle is crucial in deriving the Euler-Lagrange equations, where functional variations are considered. The participants, haushofer and samalkhaiat, clarify that the variation operator ##\delta## measures changes in the functional form of a field at fixed coordinates, reinforcing the validity of this commutation.

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When a classical field is varied so that ##\phi ^{'}=\phi +\delta \phi## the spatial partial derivatives of the field is often written $$\partial _{\mu }\phi ^{'}=\partial _{\mu }(\phi +\delta \phi )=\partial _{\mu }\phi +\partial _{\mu }\delta \phi $$. Often times the next step is to switch the order of the variation and the partial derivative to get ##\partial _{\mu }\phi ^{'}=\partial _{\mu }\phi +\delta (\partial _{\mu }\phi )##. What justifies the replacement of ##\partial_{\mu }(\delta\phi )## by ##\delta (\partial _{\mu }\phi )##?
 
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Variations and derivatives commute if you keep your coordinates fixed during the variation. In deriving the Euler Lagrange eqns e.g. this is the case: the field variations involve functional variations.
 
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haushofer said:
Variations and derivatives commute if you keep your coordinates fixed during the variation. In deriving the Euler Lagrange eqns e.g. this is the case: the field variations involve functional variations.
I guess my question is "why do variations and derivatives commute?"
 
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I guess my question is "why do variations and derivatives commute?"
haushofer answered your question correctly. The variation \delta measures the change in the functional form of a field at a fixed coordinate value. So, if you define the field \psi_{\mu}(x) = \partial_{\mu}\phi (x), then it follows from the definition of \delta that \delta \psi_{\mu}(x) = \psi_{\mu}^{'}(x) - \psi_{\mu}(x), or
\delta (\partial_{\mu}\phi )(x) = \partial_{\mu}\phi^{'}(x) - \partial_{\mu}\phi(x) = \partial_{\mu}\left(\phi^{'} - \phi \right) (x) = \partial_{\mu}( \delta \phi )(x) .
 
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Thinking of ##\partial _{\mu}\phi ## as an independent vector field that itself varies seemed to help! Thanks haushofer and samalkhaiat!
 

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