Derivative Problem: when does f(x)=-f'(x)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the equation f(x) = -f'(x) and seeks to explore the functions that satisfy this relationship. Participants engage in mathematical reasoning, including differentiation and integration, while considering both trivial and non-trivial solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks what function equals the negative derivative of itself, presenting the equation f(x) = -f'(x).
  • Another participant confirms the equation and suggests using Leibniz notation for differentiation.
  • Several participants propose separating variables and integrating the equation, noting the potential elimination of the trivial solution f(x) = 0.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about integration, prompting questions about their familiarity with the concept.
  • A different participant introduces the function y = e^{-x} as a potential solution, implying it is related to the original equation.
  • Further elaboration on integration leads to the conclusion that f(x) can be expressed as f(x) = c_1 e^{-x}, where c_1 is a constant that may include the trivial solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach of separating variables and integrating, but there is uncertainty regarding the integration process itself. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the solutions or the implications of the trivial solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of considering the trivial solution f(x) = 0, which may be overlooked when separating variables. There is also an acknowledgment of the need for familiarity with integration to fully engage with the problem.

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What function equals the negative derivative of itself?
f(x) = -f'(x)
 
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Re: Derrivative Problem: when does f(x)=f'(x)

Hello, and welcome to MHB! (Wave)

SGR said:
What equation equals the negative derivative of its self?
f(x) = f'(x)

Do you mean:

$$f(x)=-f'(x)$$ ?
 
Re: Derrivative Problem: when does f(x)=f'(x)

YES! when does f(x) = -f'(x)??
 
Re: Derrivative Problem: when does f(x)=f'(x)

SGR said:
YES! when does f(x) = -f'(x)??

Let's use the notation of Leibniz and write:

$$\d{f}{x}=-f(x)$$

Now what if we separate variables and write:

$$\frac{1}{f(x)}\,df=-dx$$

We have divided by $f(x)$, and in doing so potentially eliminated the trivial solution $f(x)=0$, and so we need to be mindful of this in case the non-trivial solution does not include this.

What do you get when you integrate both sides of the above equation?
 
Re: Derrivative Problem: when does f(x)=f'(x)

MarkFL said:
Let's use the notation of Leibniz and write:

$$\d{f}{x}=-f(x)$$

Now what if we separate variables and write:

$$\frac{1}{f(x)}\,df=-dx$$

We have divided by $f(x)$, and in doing so potentially eliminated the trivial solution $f(x)=0$, and so we need to be mindful of this in case the non-trivial solution does not include this.

What do you get when you integrate both sides of the above equation?

I don't know how to integrate.
 
Re: Derrivative Problem: when does f(x)=f'(x)

SGR said:
I don't know how to integrate.

You haven't studied integration yet?
 
Re: Derivative Problem: when does f(x)=f'(x)

Hi SGR and welcome to MHB.

Do you know how to differentiate and that $e^x$ is its own derivative?

If so, consider

$$y=e^{-x}$$
 
Re: Derrivative Problem: when does f(x)=f'(x)

MarkFL said:
Let's use the notation of Leibniz and write:

$$\d{f}{x}=-f(x)$$

Now what if we separate variables and write:

$$\frac{1}{f(x)}\,df=-dx$$

We have divided by $f(x)$, and in doing so potentially eliminated the trivial solution $f(x)=0$, and so we need to be mindful of this in case the non-trivial solution does not include this.

What do you get when you integrate both sides of the above equation?

If we integrate, we get:

$$\ln|f(x)|=C-x$$

This implies:

$$f(x)=\pm e^{C-x}=\pm e^Ce^{-x}$$

Now, let $$c_1=\pm e^{C}$$ and also let $c_1=0$ (reintroducing the trivial solution we lost when separating variables) and we have $c_1\in\mathbb{R}$:

$$f(x)=c_1e^{-x}$$
 

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