Derivatives, rates of change (trapezoidal prism)

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The discussion focuses on calculating the rate of change of water level in a trapezoidal prism-shaped trough, specifically a water trough that is 10 m long with a cross-section of an isosceles trapezoid measuring 30 cm at the bottom, 80 cm at the top, and 50 cm in height. The water is being filled at a rate of 0.2 m3/min, and the objective is to determine how fast the water level is rising when the water is 30 cm deep. The key formula used is V = (a+b)h/2 × L, and the solution involves differentiating this equation to find dh/dt in terms of dV/dt, leading to the conclusion that the correct rate of change of the water level is 10/3 cm/min.

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1. A water trough is 10 m long and a cross-section has the shape of an isosceles trapezoid that is 30 cm wide at the bottom, 80 cm wide at the top, and has height 50 cm. If the trough is being filled with water at the rate of 0.2 m^3/min, how fast is the water level rising when the water is 30 cm deep?

Homework Equations


$$V=\frac{(a+b)h}{2}×L$$

The Attempt at a Solution



Given (I converted all to cm):
$$a=30$$ $$\frac{da}{dt}=0$$ $$base=80$$ $$height=50$$ $$\frac{dV}{dt}=0.2$$ $$h=30$$ $$L=10$$ $$\frac{dL}{dt}=0$$

I need to find $$\frac{dh}{dt}$$

After I find the derivative of V using natural log.
$$lnV=\frac{1}{2}ln(a+b)hL$$
$$lnV=\frac{1}{2}ln(a+b)+lnh+lnL$$
$$\frac{dV}{dt}=\frac{1}{2}(\frac{db/dt}{a+b}+\frac{dh/dt}{h})×V$$

I don't know how I'm supposed to find $$\frac{db}{dt}$$ i get b=60.

Any help is much appreciated.
 

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This is the same as the other one - you don't need to deal with all those logs.

(a+b)L/2 is just a constant that you are given. Put k=2/(a+b)L
Lynchpin You need to express b in terms of h.

Think it through - let a is the bottom, and c is the top, the overall height is H.
0<h<H
when h=0, what is b(h) equal to?
when h=H, what is b(h) equal to?
what formula makes that happen? b(h)=

* Rearrange your formula to make h the subject.
* differentiate both sides to get dh/dt in terms of dV/dt.
* You are given dV/dt.
 
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Thanks, but I still get this.

$$2V=(a+b)hL$$ $$h=\frac{2V}{(a+b)L}=Vk$$ $$\frac{dh}{dt}=\frac{dV}{dt}k=0.2×\frac{2}{(30+60)1000}$$

I don't get the right answer, which is 10/3.
 
Still the wrong formula.
I misread you - I thought you put b as the top width - my bad.
I have rewritten post #2 to reflet this.

Think it through - let a is the bottom, and c is the top, the overall height is H.
0<h<H
when h=0, what is b(h) equal to?
when h=H, what is b(h) equal to?
what formula makes that happen? b(h)=
 
Still the wrong formula.
I misread you - I thought you put b as the top width - my bad.
I have rewritten post #2 to reflet this.

Think it through - let a is the bottom, and c is the top, the overall height is H.
0<h<H
when h=0, what is b(h) equal to?
when h=H, what is b(h) equal to?
what formula makes that happen? b(h)=
 
Watch your units!

If you are going to use cm for the dimensions of the trough, then the fill rate of 0.2 m^3/min should also be converted to units of cm^/min.
 

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