Isosceles Triangular Prism Related Rates Problem

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a trough shaped like an isosceles triangular prism, with specific dimensions and a rate of water being filled. The original poster is tasked with determining how fast the water level is rising when the water reaches a certain depth.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the base width and height of the triangular cross-section, with attempts to express one variable in terms of the other.
  • There are inquiries about differentiating the volume equation and the implications of assuming certain rates to simplify the problem.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the setup and calculations, particularly in deriving the correct relationships and equations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring different relationships and attempting to clarify the necessary steps. There is a mix of guidance and attempts to correct misunderstandings, but no consensus on the correct approach has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the relationships between the variables and the differentiation process, as well as the need for clarity in expressing the volume in terms of height.

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Homework Statement



A trough is 9 ft long and its ends have the shape of isosceles triangles that are 5 ft across at the top and have a height of 1 ft. If the trough is being filled with water at a rate of 14 ft3/min, how fast is the water level rising when the water is 7 inches deep?

I know b, h, l, dv/dt, dl/dt.
I need to first find db/dt then solve for dh/dt

Homework Equations



Volume of Iso. triangular prism= 1/2bh*l
dv/dt=1/2bh(dl/dt)+l(1/2b(dh/dt)+1/2h(db/dt)

I assume that dl/dt=0, so the new equation for the derivative is equal to.. dv/dt=l(1/2b(dh/dt)+1/2h(db/dt)

The Attempt at a Solution


If anyone could just give me some direction where to start in solving for db/dt that would be great!
 
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Hi maladroit! Welcome to PF! :smile:
maladroit said:
Volume of Iso. triangular prism= 1/2bh*l
dv/dt=1/2bh(dl/dt)+l(1/2b(dh/dt)+1/2h(db/dt)

oooh, that's far too complicated! :cry:

There's a relation between b and h, so write b in terms of h, and then differentiate! :wink:
 
That seems to be just what my problem is... I can't see the relationship between b and h.

I tried setting up a triangle and solving for what b is equal to in terms of h but I am still getting the wrong answer.
I used cos(theta)=(1/2b)/h, differentiated, and solved for what db/dt was equal to.
 
maladroit said:
That seems to be just what my problem is... I can't see the relationship between b and h.

uhh? :confused: … it's a triangle … it's the same all the way up … b = 5h.
 
Once I replaced the db/dt with the 5dh/dt and solved for the problem I got .4817 ft/min but that was incorrect.

The equation I used was...
14=9(1/2*5(dh/dt)+1/2*(7/12)5(dh/dt)
 
maladroit said:
The equation I used was...
14=9(1/2*5(dh/dt)+1/2*(7/12)5(dh/dt)

Sorry, not following that :confused:

can you write it out properly: what is v in terms of h, then what is dv/dt in terms of h, then what is dv/dt when h = 7/12. :smile:
 
Right!
I used the same equation I put before
dv/dt=l(1/2b(dh/dt)+1/2h(db/dt))
and, differentiating b=5h,

dv/dt=l(1/2b(dh/dt)+1/2h(5dh/dt))

Also, I really appreciate your help!
 
hmm … v = (22.5)h2, dv/dt = … ? :wink:
 
oh! I differentiated much too early... thank you so much for your help!
 

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