Derive an expression to find how many times an eigen value is repeated

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The discussion revolves around deriving an expression to determine how many times an eigenvalue is repeated in an upper triangular matrix representing a linear operator. Participants explore various approaches and concepts related to linear algebra, particularly focusing on null spaces and the behavior of powers of matrices.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests investigating the effect of higher powers of (T - kI) where k is the intended eigenvalue.
  • Another participant proposes that the eigenvalue appears s times on the diagonal of the matrix.
  • A different participant states that the expression for s can be given as s = dim [ Null (T - kI) dim V ], where k is the corresponding eigenvalue.
  • Concerns are raised about the clarity of the original question and the need for a more precise formulation of what is meant by "an expression."
  • One participant expresses frustration with a proof by induction, stating it assumes prior knowledge of the result and lacks intuition.
  • A later post details a proof involving the relationship between the dimensions of null spaces and ranges of powers of (T - λI), concluding with an expression for the algebraic multiplicity of an eigenvalue.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement. Some agree on the expression for s, while others question the clarity of the original inquiry and the validity of certain approaches. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most intuitive method to derive the expression.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the lack of introduction to Jordan form in their studies, which may limit their approaches. There are also unresolved assumptions regarding the linear independence of eigenvectors associated with non-distinct eigenvalues.

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Hello !

I have an upper triangular matrix for an operator T in which an eigen value has been repeated s times in total.

Derive an expression for s .

My thoughts : ( Let * imply contained in )
then :I know that :

(a)

Null T0 * Null T1 *...*Null Tdim V = Null Tdim V + 1 = ...

(b) Will i have to investigate the effect of higher powers of ( T - k I ) where k is the intended eigen value ??

(c) the book which i am reading : Sheldon Axler's Linear Algebra hasn't introduced Jordan form as of now.

Any direction for this will be appreciated. Thanks
Can i prove it from these results ?
 
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I have no idea what you're trying to find. What do you mean with "an expression"? Do you have to find some expression?? This is a very vague question...
 


The only thing I can think of is that the eigenvalue comes up s times on the diagonal. Maybe they mean that?
 


The answer given states that s = dim [ Null ( T - k I )dim V ]
where k is the corresponding eigen value.
 


micromass said:
I have no idea what you're trying to find. What do you mean with "an expression"? Do you have to find some expression?? This is a very vague question...

An expression means in this context a formula to find number of times an eigen value is repeated in an upper triangular matrix.
 


vish_maths said:
The answer given states that s = dim [ Null ( T - k I )dim V ]

So you need to prove that formula for s? How is this thread different from your previous thread then?
 


micromass said:
So you need to prove that formula for s? How is this thread different from your previous thread then?

I thought i ended up confusing a lot of things over there in that thread. So, i wrote afresh, This is what i meant actually.
 


And why does Theorem 8.10 not answer the question for you?? I think it basically says and proves what you want.
 


micromass said:
And why does Theorem 8.10 not answer the question for you?? I think it basically says and proves what you want.

Hi

I found proof by induction unconvincing ; It assumes that the result is already true. ( It does not give an intuition .. )

I really want to derive the expression considering a situation , say, when i never knew what the answer is going to be in which case, probably induction is not going to work.

I have thought about it and i think the answer may lie in investigating the behavior of higher powers of ( T - k I ) but i seem to be stuck for more than a week now, which is frustrating :(
 
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ok guys, i have finally found a proof. Took me long .I will post it for common good :)

if an eigen value λ is repeated r times on the main diagonal of M(T) [ where M(T) denotes the matrix associated with the linear mapping T ] , then M(T - λ I ) has r zeroes on the main diagonal.

Speaking of higher powers of M(T - λ I ) ( say kth power ) , notice that under any circumstance, the non zero diagonal element of M(T - λ I ) would simply be their kth power for M(T - λ I ). -------------------- (A)

since, the eigen vectors for non distinct eigen values may/may not be linearly independent

=> dim [ null (T - λ I ) ] ≤ r
=> dim [ range (T - λ I ) ] ≥ n-r

Now, we know that :

null (T - λ I )0 [itex]\subset[/itex] null (T - λ I )1[itex]\subset[/itex] ... [itex]\subset[/itex] null (T - λ I )m
=null (T - λ I )m+1=... = null (T - λ I )dim V =..

=> 0 < dim null (T - λ I ) < ... < dim null (T - λ I )m = dim[ null (T - λ I )m+1 ] = ... = dim null (T - λ I )dim V = ...

...... (1)


We also know that range (T - λ I )0 [itex]\supset[/itex] range (T - λ I )1[itex]\supset[/itex] ... [itex]\supset[/itex] range (T - λ I )m = range (T - λ I )m+1 =... = range (T - λ I )dim V = ...


=> n > dim range (T - λ I )1 > ... > dim range (T - λ I )m = dim range (T - λ I )m+1=... dim range (T - λ I )dim V

...... (2)

after carefully analysing the statement (A) , it states that the minimum dimension of range of any power of ( T - λ I ) = n-r .

If we try to look at the safest boundary conditions :

max [ dim range (T - λ I ) ] = n-1

We already know that max [ dim [range (T - λ I )m ] ] = n-r and not less than that .

=> maximum value of m from statement (2) = r ---------------- (3)
=> dim range (T - λ I )r = n-r
=> dim null (T - λ I )r = r

=> from (1) : dim null (T - λ I )dim V = r .

Hence, there you have the expression for the algebraic multiplicity of an eigen value.
 

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