Derive Expression for Total Spin State |1,0> w/ 4 Spin-1/2 Particles

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The discussion revolves around deriving an expression for the total spin state |1,0⟩ using four spin-1/2 particles. The original poster is seeking assistance with the mathematical formulation and understanding of the spin states involved.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to express |1,0⟩ in terms of the basis states and has identified some equations related to normalization and orthogonality. They question how to derive additional equations needed to solve for the coefficients in their expression.
  • Some participants suggest considering the properties of the eigenstates and the implications of the eigenvalues associated with the total spin states.
  • Others propose using the lowering operator and exploring different pairings of spins to derive the necessary states.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various methods to approach the problem. Some have shared insights about the nature of the states and the relationships between them, while others have indicated that they have made progress through collaboration and guidance from their professor.

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Participants are working within the constraints of their homework assignment, which requires deriving the expression without providing complete solutions. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationships between different spin states and the application of Clebsch-Gordan coefficients.

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Hi Guys, this is from my grad quantum class. I'm pretty stuck and need some help:

Homework Statement



Given four spin-1/2 particles, derive an expression for the total spin state |S,m⟩ ≡ |1,0⟩ in terms of the the four bases |+⟩i , |−⟩i ; i = 1,2,3,4

Homework Equations



Clebsch Gordon Coefficients

Raising and lowering operators, etc.

The Attempt at a Solution



OK. So I know the solution has to be of this form:

|1,0> = a|+++->+b|++-+>+c|+-++>+d|-+++>

Now, here is my plan of attack:

First, the state |2,2>=|++++>

I applied the lowering operator to this state repeatedly to find the |2,0> state.

Then I use the condition that:

<1,0|2,0>=0 to get: a+b+c+d=0

Also, there is the normalization condition:

a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2=1

So, I have two equations in 4 unknowns. This is my problem.

I can find a third equation by considering <0,0|1,0>=0 however, i don't know the form of the singlet configuration for 4 spins. Any hints on how I can find that?

Still that leaves me still with 3 equations in 4 unknowns. Where do I get the last equation?

Any hints at all would be appreciated. Thanks a lot.
 
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G01 said:
|1,0&gt; = a|+++-&gt;+b|++-+&gt;+c|+-++&gt;+d|-+++&gt;

I don't have any suggestions (yet) on how to proceed - I thought I did, but I was wrong and that is why I withdrew my previous posting. However, before you get too deep in your method consider this: State |1,0> is an eigenstate of S2 with eigenvalue S(S+1)=1*(1+1) = 2 and an eigenstate of Sz with eigenvalue zero. The latter eigenvalue means that you must have two pluses and two minuses in each of the four-spinor terms. Now the number of permutations of two pluses and two minuses is six not four.

In fact if you add four spins 1/2 the total number of states is 2*2*2*2 = 16. The possible total angular momenta are (a) One S = 2 (five states), (b) three S =1 (9 states) and (c) two S = 0 (2 states). Note that there are six states with |S,0> as expected.
 
Perhaps you should try go from the |2,1> state to the |1,1> states since you know they have to be orthogonal. Then use the lowering operator to find the |1,0> states.
 
vela said:
Perhaps you should try go from the |2,1> state to the |1,1> states since you know they have to be orthogonal. Then use the lowering operator to find the |1,0> states.

You beat us to it. After some office hours and group effort, we got the problem. This was the method suggested to us by our professor. Thanks!
 
OK, I got it. When you add two spins S = 1 to get spin S12=S1+S2, the state |S12,0> is in terms of the Clebsch-Gordan coefficients

|1,0>=Σ(<1,m1,1,-m1|1,0>)|1,m1>|1,-m1>

where the summation extends over all the m1 that are appropriate and the constant in parentheses is the Clebsch-Gordan coefficient.

For this problem, you need to substitute two-spinor states in the right side of the above expression. For example, you can pair spins 1 and 2 to get |1,1> = |++> and pair spins 3 and 4 to get |1,-1> = | - - >. So in the summation over all the m1 a two-spin term like |1,1>|1,-1> becomes the four-spinor term |+ + - - >.

You get additional total spin S = 1 states by pairing spins 1 & 3 and 2 & 4 and then pairing 1 & 4 and 2 & 3. This exhausts all the possible pairings and you end up with the three different S = 1 states that I mentioned earlier.

Of course, once you write state |1,0> as I indicated, you need to verify that it is an eigenstate of S2 with the correct eigenvalue S(S+1) = 2. It is a bit tedious, but straightforward if you are systematic about it.
 

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