Composite Spin 1/2 System Probability Question

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The problem involves two spin-1/2 particles forming a composite quantum system. One particle is in the eigenstate corresponding to spin up along the z-axis, while the other is in the eigenstate corresponding to spin up along the x-axis. The question seeks to determine the probability of measuring a total spin of zero for the system.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the interpretation of the measurement question, particularly regarding the relationship between total spin and the singlet state. There are inquiries about forming the composite state from the individual particle states and the appropriate notation for tensor products.

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Some participants have provided insights into the correct notation and the relationship between the states of the particles. There is acknowledgment of the need for clarity in notation and understanding of the tensor product concept. The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring how to express the composite state correctly.

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Participants express uncertainty about the initial composite state formation and seek resources for better understanding the mathematical framework of quantum mechanics.

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Homework Statement


Two spin ##\frac 12## particles form a composite system. Spin A is in the eigenstate ##s_z = + \frac 12## and Spin B is in the eigenstate ##s_x = + \frac 12## What is the probability that a measurement of the total spin will give the value ##0##?

Homework Equations


I know particle A is in the state ## | \psi_A \rangle = (1,0)## and particle B is in the state ##| \psi_B \rangle = (\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} , \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} ) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} (1,0) + \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} (0,1)##

The basis for the composite system is ## B = \{ \ |\uparrow \uparrow \rangle, |\downarrow \uparrow \rangle, |\uparrow \downarrow \rangle, |\downarrow \downarrow \rangle \}##

The Attempt at a Solution



My interpretation is that question is essentially asking us to find the probability that upon measurement, the particles will be measured in the singlet state, or the triplet state with ##m = 0##. Is this correct? In the case of 1 dimension, we measure projections of total spin. So is it true that we want states with ##m = 0##?

My strategy is to express the given state of the particles in terms of the basis ##B##, and then calculate the probability as follows: $$\mathbb{P}(\text{Particles measured to have total spin} \ 0) = |\langle 0 \ 0 | \psi \rangle|^2 + |\langle 1 \ 0 | \psi \rangle|^2$$ Where ##| \psi \rangle ## is the initial composite state.

I do not know how to find the initial composite state though! How do I form a composite state from some given single particle spin states? Once I have this, and verified my question about measurements of projections of spin, I should be able to solve it.
 
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CDL said:
My interpretation is that question is essentially asking us to find the probability that upon measurement, the particles will be measured in the singlet state, or the triplet state with ##m = 0##. Is this correct? In the case of 1 dimension, we measure projections of total spin. So is it true that we want states with ##m = 0##?
That's not correct. A total spin of zero means that the particles are in the singlet state. The value of the projection is irrelevant.

CDL said:
I do not know how to find the initial composite state though! How do I form a composite state from some given single particle spin states? Once I have this, and verified my question about measurements of projections of spin, I should be able to solve it.
It would be easier if you used a more consistent notation. The Dirac notation is well suited here, so
$$
| \uparrow \downarrow \rangle = | \uparrow \rangle_A \otimes | \downarrow \rangle_B
$$
and so on.
 
DrClaude said:
It would be easier if you used a more consistent notation. The Dirac notation is well suited here, so
|↑↓⟩=|↑⟩A⊗|↓⟩B|↑↓⟩=|↑⟩A⊗|↓⟩B​
| \uparrow \downarrow \rangle = | \uparrow \rangle_A \otimes | \downarrow \rangle_B
and so on.

Is the ##\otimes## symbol denoting a tensor product? I am finding this concept tough to understand and find good resources on. Do you have any recommendations?

Using that notation, does this working produce the correct composite state?

##\begin{align*} | \psi_a \rangle \otimes | \psi_b \rangle &= | \uparrow \rangle \otimes \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \left( | \uparrow \rangle + | \downarrow \rangle \right) \\
&= \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \left(| \uparrow \uparrow \rangle + | \uparrow \downarrow \rangle \right)
\end{align*}##
 
CDL said:
Is the ##\otimes## symbol denoting a tensor product? I am finding this concept tough to understand and find good resources on. Do you have any recommendations?
Greiner's Quantum Mechanics - An Introduction has a chapter on the mathematics of QM. I think that Sakurai and Napolitano also covers this. Online, I was able to find this document: http://web.mst.edu/~parris/QuantumOne/Class_Notes/ManyParticleSystems.pdf

CDL said:
Using that notation, does this working produce the correct composite state?

##\begin{align*} | \psi_a \rangle \otimes | \psi_b \rangle &= | \uparrow \rangle \otimes \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \left( | \uparrow \rangle + | \downarrow \rangle \right) \\
&= \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \left(| \uparrow \uparrow \rangle + | \uparrow \downarrow \rangle \right)
\end{align*}##
That's correct!
 
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