Derive p^2/2m from relativistic equations

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The discussion revolves around deriving the non-relativistic approximation for kinetic energy, specifically showing that K ≈ p²/2m, starting from the relativistic energy equation E² = (pc)² + (mc²)². Participants are exploring the relationship between relativistic and non-relativistic expressions for energy and kinetic energy.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to use linear approximations and algebraic manipulation to relate the relativistic energy equation to the non-relativistic kinetic energy expression. Questions arise about how to express variables and the relationship between different equations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in rewriting equations and identifying relationships between variables, particularly in expressing x in terms of momentum p. However, there remains uncertainty about the next steps and how to fully connect the equations.

Contextual Notes

The problem is situated within a numerical methods section of a calculus course, which adds a layer of complexity as participants navigate both physics and mathematical techniques.

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Given the relativistic equation for energy E2 = (pc)2 + (mc2)2
I want to find the non-relativistic approximation for kinetic energy in non-relativistic terms,
Knr = p2/2m

I start off with subtracting the rest energy
E0=mc2
from the above equation.

So K = E - E0

and assume that c is very large.
I've messed around for hours on the algebra and I need help.
I want to show that K ≈ Knr

I am doing this using a linear approximation. I've written the energy as E = E0 √1+x

And using the function f(x)=√1+x about x = 0

I've derived the linearization as L(x) = 1 + x/2

But I am struggling with relating to the equations above to show that K ≈ Knr
 
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Mancuso said:
I am doing this using a linear approximation. I've written the energy as E = E0 √1+x

And using the function f(x)=√1+x about x = 0

I've derived the linearization as L(x) = 1 + x/2
You have the right approach. Can you tell us how x is related to p when you write E = E0 √(1+x) ?
 
That's where I get stuck, relating the two equations

1. E = E0√(1+x) and
2. E = √( (pc)2 + (mc2)2)

I've arranged the relativistic equations as such
3. K = E - E0
3. K = √( (pc)2 + (mc2)2) - mc2

I don't know what x represents in equation 1 and so I don't know where I go next.

I tried a lot of algebraic manipulation of equation 2. including substituting mv for p
In an effort to find a structural relationship, but I'm lost. I would appreciate help relating x
to p.
This question comes from a numerical methods section of a calculus course. I completely understand the numerical methods, but I'm struggling with the physics and how to apply a linear approximation to relate the two equations. I don't understand which part of equation 3. I am substituting with Eq. 1 and if any variables should be eliminated or rearranged.
 
Mancuso said:
1. E = E0√(1+x) and
2. E = √( (pc)2 + (mc2)2)
Can you rewrite equation 2 using E0 instead of mc2? That might help you see how to identify x in equation 1.
 
Yes,

mc2 = √(E2 - (pc)2)

sub into eq 1?

E = √(E2 - (pc)2)⋅√(1 + x)

I still don't see it. Please help
 
Your equation 2 can be written as ##E = \sqrt{(pc)^2 + E_0^2}##. Is there any way to "pull" the ##E_0## outside the square root so that it looks more like equation 1?
 
Yes!

E = E 0 √((pc)2/E02 +1)

So x represents (pc)2/E02

This problem has taken up my entire night and it's only worth 0.2% of my final mark haha. The problem was so interesting that I could not put it down. I will tackle the rest of the problem in the morning, might bug you again for a hint if I get stuck. Thanks so much for your help, you're awesome ! :approve:
 
Mancuso said:
E = E 0 √((pc)2/E02 +1)

So x represents (pc)2/E02
Yes, good.
 

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