Derive the probability of spin at arbitrary angle is cos( )

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The discussion revolves around deriving the probability of measuring the spin of a quantum particle at an arbitrary angle, specifically comparing results from different approaches and calculations. Participants reference quantum mechanics concepts, eigenvectors, and the use of Pauli matrices, with a focus on the mathematical derivation of probabilities related to spin states.

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  • Dr. Susskind's lecture suggests a result of ##\frac{1}{2}(1-\cos(\theta))## for the probability of measuring spin in a direction different from the prepared state.
  • One participant presents their own derived expression, which includes terms like ##(m_3^2-1)(n_3^2-1)##, and seeks clarification on potential simplifications.
  • Another participant describes the calculation of the spin component in the direction of a unit vector using Pauli matrices, leading to a probability expression of ##\cos^2(\vartheta/2)##, which they argue is correct.
  • There is a mention of normalization factors and the need to ensure that eigenvectors are correctly normalized in the context of quantum states.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about their calculations and seeks guidance on how to reach the expected result of ##\frac{1}{2}(1-\cos(\theta))##.
  • Another participant points out a potential inconsistency in the derived expressions, suggesting that certain terms cannot be equal for all choices of parameters, indicating a possible error in the calculations.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the correct probability expression, with multiple competing views and approaches presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the derivation and correctness of the various expressions proposed.

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Participants reference complex algebraic manipulations and matrix operations, indicating that some steps may involve unresolved mathematical intricacies or assumptions that are not explicitly stated.

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From Dr. Leonard Susskind's Stanford Lecture: Quantum Entanglement, Lecture 4, he sets up a "given particle is spin up along n (arbitrary direction) and discusses : what is probability we measure up along another arbitrary m direction
From Dr. Leonard Susskind's Stanford Lecture: Quantum Entanglement, Lecture 4, he sets up a "given particle is spin up along n (arbitrary direction) and discusses : what is probability we measure up along another arbitrary m directionHe does all of the setup, - calculates the eigenvectors and gives the final answer: ##\frac{1}{2}(1-\cos(\theta))##

Months and months ago I took a stab at the work and gave up - got really messy
Few days ago I thought (for fun) I would tackle it again, jumping to the end I ended up with:
$$\frac{1}{2}((1+\cos(\theta) ) (1 - m_3^2 -n_3^2 + (m_3n_3)^2)$$
$$= \frac{1}{2} (1+\cos(\theta))(m_3^2-1)(n_3^2-1)$$

The work is many pages of algebra with m's and n's, fortunately a lot canceled and then others grouped to simplify
My current result seems clean but has the terms ##(m_3^2-1)(n_3^2-1)## (with##1-\cos(\theta)## factored out
I'm hoping you tell me there is a step to cancel or something

The initial matrices before the turn-the-crank work is:

$$\begin{pmatrix}\sqrt{ \frac{1+m_3} {2} } && \frac{1-m_3}{m+}\sqrt{\frac{1+m_3}{2}} \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}\sqrt{\frac{1+n_3}{2}} \\ \frac{1-n_3}{n-}\sqrt{\frac{1+n_3}{2}}\end{pmatrix}$$Thanks

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The component of the spin in direction of the unit vector ##\vec{n}## is given by
$$\hat{s}_{\vec{n}}=\frac{\hbar}{2} \vec{n} \cdot \vec{\sigma},$$
where ##\vec{\sigma}## denote the three Pauli matrices.

Without loss of generality in your above description you can choose ##\vec{n}=\vec{e}_3##. Then with the standard definition of the Pauli matrices the state your spin is prepared in is represented by the vector ##(1,0)##.

Now find the eigenvector of ##\vec{m} \cdot \vec{\sigma}## with the eigenvalue ##1##. The probability that ##\sigma_{\vec{m}}## takes the value ##+\hbar/2## is then given by the squared modulus of the 1st component of this eigenvector (think about, why?).
 
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here is the link to the lecture. He (Dr. Susskind) sets up the QM eigenvectors. I am just trying to do the brute force calculation to get ##\frac{1}{2} 1+\cos(\theta))## . He says that this result can come out of "just" the algebra

(You see I must be close) Unfortunately I am 10+ pages of algebra and did have several careless mistakes along the way
here is the link - go to around 32:00 minutes
 
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Ok, Let's do the calculation. We just take
$$\vec{m}=\begin{pmatrix}\sin \vartheta \\ 0 \\ \cos \vartheta \end{pmatrix}.$$
The matrix we have to diagonalize is
$$\vec{m} \cdot \vec{\sigma}=\begin{pmatrix} \cos \vartheta & \sin \vartheta \\ \sin \vartheta &-\cos \vartheta \end{pmatrix}.$$
To get the eigenvalues we need the characteristic polynomial
$$\mathrm{det} (\vec{m} \cdot \vec{\sigma}-\lambda \hat{1}) = (\cos \vartheta-\lambda)(-\cos \vartheta-\lambda)-\sin^2 \vartheta=\lambda^2-1,$$
i.e., we get the two eigenvalues
$$\lambda_1=+1, \quad \lambda_2=-1.$$
This means the spin component ##s_{\vec{m}}## can take the values ##\hbar/2## and ##-\hbar/2##.

For the eigenvector to the eigenvalue +1 we must have
$$\vec{m} \cdot \vec{\sigma} \begin{pmatrix} a\\ b \end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}\cos \vartheta a + \sin \vartheta b \\ \sin \vartheta a -\cos \vartheta b\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix} a\\ b \end{pmatrix}.$$
From the first component we get
$$b=\frac{1-\cos \vartheta}{\sin \vartheta}a.$$
Setting ##a=N \sin \vartheta## we get the eigenvector
$$|m_{\vec{m}}=+\hbar/2 \rangle=N \begin{pmatrix}\sin \vartheta \\ 1-\cos \vartheta \end{pmatrix}.$$
The normalization facto must be chosen such that this vector has norm 1,
$$|N|^2 [(1-\cos \vartheta)^2 + \sin \vartheta^2]=|N|^2 2(1-\cos \vartheta) =1.$$
Up to an irrelevant phase factor thus
$$N=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2(1-\cos \vartheta)}}.$$
So we get
$$ |m_{\vec{m}}=+\hbar/2 \rangle=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2(1-\cos \vartheta}} \begin{pmatrix} \sin \vartheta \\ 1-\cos \vartheta \end{pmatrix}.$$
So the probability is
$$P=|\langle m_z=\hbar/2|m_{\vec{m}}=\hbar/2 \rangle|^2=\frac{\sin^2 \vartheta}{2 (1-\cos \vartheta)}.$$
With the formulae
$$\sin \vartheta=2 \sin (\vartheta/2) \cos(\vartheta/2), \cos \vartheta=\cos^2(\vartheta/2)-\sin^2(\vartheta/2)=1-2 \sin^2 \vartheta \; \Rightarrow \; 1-\cos \vartheta=2\sin^2 (\vartheta/2)$$
you finally get
$$P=\cos^2(\vartheta/2)=\frac{1}{2}(1+\cos \vartheta).$$
That's not what you say, but of course for ##\vartheta=0## we must get ##P=1##. So this seems to be the correct answer.
 
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I don't think we are on the same page, I am trying to see if I am close to the ##\frac{1}{2}(1-\cos(\theta))## result
I feel like I am close and don't want to give up again
From the lecture I did the inner product (squared) and worked through a lot of mess

My question is not on setting up the inner product of the eigenvectors, it is given Dr. Suskkind's inner product (squared) from lecture what remaining step do I need to finish / end up with ##\frac{1}{2}(1-\cos(\theta))##

Thanks
 
the approach I am chasing is with n = ##n_1 +\n_2 + n_3## and m = ##m_1 + m_2+m_3##
the angle between is ##\theta##
##n- = n_1 - i*n_2 and n+ = n_1 + i*n_2## likewise for m- and m+

$$\begin{pmatrix}\sqrt{ \frac{1+m_3} {2} } && \frac{1-m_3}{m+}\sqrt{\frac{1+m_3}{2}} \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}\sqrt{\frac{1+n_3}{2}} \\ \frac{1-n_3}{n-}\sqrt{\frac{1+n_3}{2}}\end{pmatrix}$$

squaring and matrix multiplication:

$$\sqrt{\frac{1+m_3+n_3+m_3n_3}{4}}(\frac{m_+n_- + 1 - m_3 - n_3 + m_3n_3}{m_+n_-}) x \sqrt{\frac{1+m_3+n_3+m_3n_3}{4}}(\frac{m_-n_+ + 1 - m_3 - n_3 + m_3n_3}{m_-n_+})$$

dot dot dot... lots of m's and n's and errors and going backwards to find where I got off ... i get

$$\frac{1}{4}(2+2m_1n1 + 2m_2n_2 + 2m33n_3 - 2m_3^2 -2n_3^2 + 2(m_3n_3)^2 -2m_3^2(m_3n_3)-2n_3^2(m_3n_3) + 2(m_3n_3)^3 - 2(m_1n_1m_3^2 - 2m_1n_1n_3^2 + 2m_1n_1(m_3n_3)^2-2m_2n_2m_3^2 -2m_2n_2n_3^2 + 2m_2n_2(m_3n_3)^2)$$

$$\frac{1}{2}( 1+\cos(\theta) -m_3^2 ( 1+\cos(\theta)) -n_3^2 ( 1+\cos(\theta) )+(m_3n_3)^2( 1+\cos(\theta)))$$

where I am hoping I am a step or so away (or I am there and just don't see it) to the result:
$$\frac{1}{2}(1+\cos(\theta))$$
 
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$$\frac{1}{2}( 1+\cos(\theta) -m_3^2 ( 1+\cos(\theta)) -n_3^2 ( 1+\cos(\theta) )+(m_3n_3)^2( 1+\cos(\theta)))$$where I am hoping I am a step or so away (or I am there and just don't see it) to the result:
$$\frac{1}{2}(1+\cos(\theta))$$
If those two are equal, then ##m_3^2n_3^2 - m_3^2 - n_3^2 = 0##, which can't be true for all choices of ##m_3## and ##n_3##. So, you must have made a mistake.
 

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