Deriving B(r) from Ampere's law - For tomorrow (02/23)

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The discussion revolves around deriving the magnetic field B(r) from Ampere's law, specifically in the context of a long circular rod with a cylindrical hole. The original poster expresses difficulty in starting the derivation and seeks hints to move forward.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of Ampere's law and the use of vector identities. The original poster attempts to manipulate the equation B(r) = (1/2)μ₀(J x r) but encounters issues with verification. Others suggest checking the derivation steps and the assumptions made regarding the uniformity of current density.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the verification of the mathematical steps involved in applying Ampere's law, but no consensus has been reached on the correctness of the derivation.

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The problem is time-sensitive, as the original poster needs assistance before a deadline. There is mention of the complexity of the problem and the challenges faced with LaTeX formatting, indicating potential communication barriers in the discussion.

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Hello again everyone

Part of a problem I've been set is to show that the equation:

B(r) = [tex]\frac{1}{2}\mu_0[/tex] (J x r)

from Ampere's law:

[tex]\nabla[/tex] x B = [tex]\mu_0[/tex] J.

The problem presents no... uh... problem thereafter, but I'm at a loss where to begin. I've been playing around with random vector identities for a while but I'm rubbish at remembering these things, my notes are in mayhem and my textbooks aren't helping. If I could get a hint where to start, that would be great.

Oh, and this is for tomorrow, so quite urgent.

Cheers,

El Hombre
 
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It's not checking

[tex]\nabla \times \left(\frac{1}{2}\mu_{0} \vec{J}\times\vec{r}\right)\neq \mu_{0}\vec{J}[/tex]
 
Tell me about it. I'll copy the full question out, see if anything flies.

Use of Ampere's Law

A long circular rod of radius R, made of conducting material, has a cylindrical hole of radius a bored parallel to its axis and displaced from the centre of the rod by a distance d. The rod carries a current I distributed uniformly over its cross-section.

Consider the superposition of two currents flowing in opposite directions, and hence show that the magnetic field in the hole is uniform and equation to:

B = [tex]\frac{\mu_0 d I}{2 \pi (R^2 - a^2)}[/tex]

[Hint: Deduce from Ampere's law that B(r) = [tex]\frac{1}{2}\mu_0[/tex](j x r) for each current, where j is the current density, and determine the appropriate origin of r].


First part, finding J, is easy enough. I = j.ds = j[tex]\pi (R^2 - a^2)[/tex] gives j in terms of I as required for the final equation.
 
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Jesus, the number of times I've had to edit that post.
 
dextercioby said:
It's not checking

[tex]\nabla \times \left(\frac{1}{2}\mu_{0} \vec{J}\times\vec{r}\right)\neq \mu_{0}\vec{J}[/tex]

Actually, expanding this it might be okay. Could you (or someone) double-check this for me please?

Starting the wrong way round, if:

B(r) = [tex]\frac{1}{2}\mu_0[/tex](J x r)

then:

[tex]\nabla[/tex] x B = [tex]\frac{1}{2}\mu_{0} \nabla[/tex] x (J x r)

= [tex]\frac{1}{2}\mu_0[/tex]( J ([tex]\nabla[/tex].r) - r ([tex]\nabla[/tex].j)).

Now since each current is independent of position in the rod and is uniform everywhere, the amount of charge in any given volume element must stay the same, so [tex]\nabla[/tex].j = 0:

[tex]\nabla[/tex] x B = [tex]\frac{1}{2}\mu_0[/tex]( J ([tex]\frac{1}{r}\frac{d}{dr}r^2[/tex]))

= [tex]\frac{1}{2}\mu_0[/tex] * 2J

= [tex]\mu_0[/tex]J,

which is Ampere's law. Not that in a million years I would ever think to do that the other way round, but does it look okay?

Many thanks,

El Hombre

P.S. It'll take me another 20 minutes to sort out the LaTex problems so if this is incomprehensible, make a cuppa and please come back!
P.P.S. Wow! Other than consistently spelling nabla 'nable', I did alright. 'Slike riding a bike.
 
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