Deriving displacement tensor from Hencky (true) strain tensor

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The discussion focuses on the relationship between the Hencky (true) strain tensor and the displacement tensor, exploring the challenges in calculating the full displacement tensor from the Hencky strain definition. The scope includes theoretical considerations and potential mathematical approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the Hencky strain, defined as \( E = \ln(U) \), is typically applied only to principal strains, raising questions about its application to full displacement tensors.
  • One participant suggests that using the equation \( U = e^E \) leads to displacement tensor values around 1 for all components when \( E < 1 \), particularly under strain rates where \( E << 1 \), which may not accurately reflect the principal components.
  • Another participant proposes expanding \( \exp(U) \) in a Taylor series using the Cayley-Hamilton theorem as a potential method to address the issue.
  • A later reply emphasizes that displacements determine the components of the strain tensor, rather than the reverse, suggesting a different perspective on the relationship between these tensors.

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Participants express uncertainty about the proper correction for calculating shear terms in the context of Hencky strain and displacement. Multiple competing views and approaches are presented, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made in the application of Hencky strain to non-principal strains, and the discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps needed to fully address the relationship between the strain and displacement tensors.

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Calculating full displacement tensor from strain tensor using Hencky (true) strain definition.
The Hencky strain, AKA true strain, logarithmic strain, can be related to displacement tensor as follows:

$$
E = ln(U)
$$

However, Hencky strain is typically done only for principal strains. This can be easily shown by actually trying to calculate the full displacement tensor using the above definition:

$$
U = e^E
$$

Typically we have E<1, and if I am looking at a strain rate, then it is E<<1, the above equation will return a displacement tensor with a value around 1 in all components when only the principal components should be close to 1. I haven't found any literature discussing the proper correction to calculate the shear terms, specifically the Hencky definition of strain and displacement. Does anyone know more about this topic?
 
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What about expanding exp(U) in a Taylor series using the Caley-Hamilton theorem?
 
FQVBSina_Jesse said:
TL;DR Summary: Calculating full displacement tensor from strain tensor using Hencky (true) strain definition.

The Hencky strain, AKA true strain, logarithmic strain, can be related to displacement tensor as follows:

$$
E = ln(U)
$$

However, Hencky strain is typically done only for principal strains. This can be easily shown by actually trying to calculate the full displacement tensor using the above definition:

$$
U = e^E
$$

Typically we have E<1, and if I am looking at a strain rate, then it is E<<1, the above equation will return a displacement tensor with a value around 1 in all components when only the principal components should be close to 1. I haven't found any literature discussing the proper correction to calculate the shear terms, specifically the Hencky definition of strain and displacement. Does anyone know more about this topic?
The displacements determine the components of the strain tensor, not the other way around.
 
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