Deriving Equation: g = aave(M + m / m)

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The discussion centers on deriving the equation g = aave(M + m / m) using two pairs of equations involving tension (T) and kinetic friction (Fr). Participants are guided to eliminate the unknowns T and Fr from the equations T1 - Fr = Ma1, mg - T1 = ma1, T2 + Fr = Ma2, and mg - T2 = ma2. The key takeaway is to isolate T in both equations to facilitate the elimination process, leading to a clearer path for deriving the desired equation.

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I am supposed to derive this equation: g=aave(M + m / m)

It gives me two pairs of equations:
T1-Fr = Ma1
mg-T1= ma1

and

T2 + Fr = Ma2
mg - T2 = ma2It also says, "hint: for the first pair of equations, eliminate the unknown tension. Do the same for the second pair of equations. In this new pair of equations, eliminate the unknown force of kinetic friction Fr.

So I tried just canceling out the T in the first set of equations, leaving me with
-Fr = Ma1 and mg = ma1, but that doesn't seem right. I am mostly just confused on how to "derive an equation". I'm just looking for a little direction--do I set them equal to each other? I'm just confused on what it's asking, I've never done a problem like this before and have been trying to understand it forever! Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
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vrobins1 said:
I am supposed to derive this equation: g=aave(M + m / m)

It gives me two pairs of equations:
T1-Fr = Ma1
mg-T1= ma1

and

T2 + Fr = Ma2
mg - T2 = ma2


It also says, "hint: for the first pair of equations, eliminate the unknown tension. Do the same for the second pair of equations. In this new pair of equations, eliminate the unknown force of kinetic friction Fr.

So I tried just canceling out the T in the first set of equations, leaving me with
-Fr = Ma1 and mg = ma1, but that doesn't seem right. I am mostly just confused on how to "derive an equation". I'm just looking for a little direction--do I set them equal to each other? I'm just confused on what it's asking, I've never done a problem like this before and have been trying to understand it forever! Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

When it says to cancel the T's out, it doesn't mean to literally pretend they never existed. To eliminate the T's from the first two equations, re-write them so that the T's are isolated in both equations.

Now it should be obvious that if A=C and B=C, then A=B. Use the exact same idea with the equations, and see if you can work from there.
 
Thanks that helped, I think I got it now!
 

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