Deriving expression as a function of another variable

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The discussion revolves around deriving a new expression as a function of another variable from an existing trigonometric expression, specifically in the context of undergraduate mathematics. Participants explore methods to manipulate the expression B(r) = Bsin(A f r + θ) to express it in terms of the variable f.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about manipulating the expression due to its trigonometric nature and seeks insight into mathematical properties.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of "Bsin(A f r + θ)" and clarifies that B is a constant, suggesting the use of inverse trigonometric functions.
  • A participant proposes using Laplace transforms, indicating a possible method to approach the problem.
  • Another participant reiterates the need for inverse sine functions, providing the relationship between sine and its inverse.
  • One participant suggests rewriting the equation to avoid confusion with the variable B and outlines steps to manipulate the equation, including dividing by B and taking the inverse sine.
  • There are multiple mentions of moving the thread due to its relevance to calculus, indicating some disagreement on the categorization of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to derive the expression or the relevance of the topic to calculus. There are competing views on the appropriate mathematical techniques to apply.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the definitions and roles of variables in the expression, as well as the appropriateness of suggested mathematical methods like Laplace transforms versus inverse trigonometric functions.

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I am attempting to understand how I can derive a new expression as a function of another variable in this existing expression. This is a college undergraduate course but I can't recall doing this much before, maybe in high school. I have taken all the way up to ODE's and PDE's.

The confusion that begins to arise is when attempting to manipulate this expression due to its trigonometric function.

With that being said, if one has an equation such that:

B(r) = Bsin(A f r + θ)

How can one solve to express this as a function of let's say f?
Any insight towards mathematical properties would be greatly appreciated!
 
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mfb said:
What does "Bsin(A f r + θ)" mean? Is B a constant here? On the left side it appears to be a function.

You'll need inverse trigonometric functions.
Yes B is a constant, let's say the original amount.

I was thinking that perhaps one might need to use Laplace transform
 
If ##x = \sin(y)##, then ##y = \sin^{-1}(x)##. Or to use an alternative notation, ##y = \arcsin(x)##. But surely you've seen this already, if you've studied ODEs and PDEs.
 
kenef said:
B(r) = Bsin(A f r + θ)

kenef said:
I was thinking that perhaps one might need to use Laplace transform
Laplace transforms? No, this is much simpler than that.

Let's rewrite the equation above as g(r) = Bsin(Afr + θ) so that B doesn't have two different roles.
1. Divide both sides by B
2. Take the inverse sine of both sides
3. Etc.
 
Thread moved as it doesn't appear to have anything to do directly with Calculus...
 
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Mark44 said:
Thread moved as it doesn't appear to have anything to do directly with Calculus...
Thank you, it was originally under General Math, and someone moved it to Calculus. Its not really related to "Calculus" as you have said. I will take your suggestion for the solution, thank you!
 

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