Deriving F(x) from f(x*f(x^2)) with Given Conditions

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The discussion revolves around deriving the function F(x) from the expression F = f(x*f(x^2)) given specific conditions for the function f. Participants explore the application of derivative rules, particularly the product and chain rules, in the context of this problem.

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  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with the problem due to the unusual format of the function.
  • Another participant suggests considering rules of derivatives, specifically the product rule and chain rule, as potential approaches.
  • There is a discussion about the application of the product rule and chain rule, with a participant providing an example to illustrate the differentiation process.
  • A later reply presents a derived expression for F'(x) using the chain and product rules, inviting others to evaluate it at x=2.
  • One participant indicates they have successfully arrived at an answer but does not elaborate on the details.

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Participants generally agree on the need to use the product and chain rules for differentiation, but there is no consensus on the specific steps or final answer, as some participants express confusion while others claim to have solved the problem.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the differentiation process, particularly regarding the inner function x*f(x^2), and there are unresolved steps in the derivation of F'(x).

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F = f(x*f(x^2)), such that  f (4) = 6,  f '(4) = 1, and  f '(12) = 3. Find F '(2)

I know the format looks weird, but that's exactly how the function was written, which is why I'm not sure how to proceed with this one.
 
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What ideas you have about how to do this problem? Or, do some rules of derivatives look promising?
 
Theia said:
What ideas you have about how to do this problem? Or, do some rules of derivatives look promising?

I was thinking of doing the product rule, but I just don't understand the xf(x^2) part of it. Now I'm also thinking the chain rule would be a better option actually. I'm just not sure how you would differentiate the x...
 
Yes, you'll need the product rule and the chain rule. ^^ The innerfunction is simply a function - and you need to use the chain rule again here.

For example if we have:

$$g = x(x - 1)^2$$,

we obtain

$$g' = (x - 1)^2 + x \cdot 2 (x-1)^1 \cdot 1 = \cdots$$.

Can you follow the procedure in your problem?
 
Theia said:
Yes, you'll need the product rule and the chain rule. ^^ The innerfunction is simply a function - and you need to use the chain rule again here.

For example if we have:

$$g = x(x - 1)^2$$,

we obtain

$$g' = (x - 1)^2 + x \cdot 2 (x-1)^1 \cdot 1 = \cdots$$.

Can you follow the procedure in your problem?

Yes I have tried but I just can't seem to work it out.
 
We are given:

$$F(x)=f\left(xf\left(x^2\right)\right)$$

Using the chain and product rules, we obtain:

$$F'(x)=f'\left(xf\left(x^2\right)\right)\left(xf'\left(x^2\right)(2x)+1\cdot f\left(x^2\right)\right)$$

Simplify:

$$F'(x)=f'\left(xf\left(x^2\right)\right)\left(2x^2f'\left(x^2\right)+f\left(x^2\right)\right)$$

What do you get when you let $x=2$?
 
It's alright, I ended up getting the answer, but thank you for outlining the process :)
 

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