Deriving the ∫dω1 integral in 2nd-order polarization

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The discussion revolves around deriving the frequency domain form of the second order polarization in the context of electromagnetism. The original poster expresses difficulty in understanding the origin of the integral ∫dω1 in the transformation from the time domain to the frequency domain.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the frequency domain form by identifying the time-domain formula as a double convolution but struggles to connect it to the desired equation. They also question the relationship between convolution in the time and frequency domains and note the absence of an integral with respect to ∫dω2 in the original formula.
  • Participants suggest examining the definition of the Fourier transform and substituting it into the expressions to facilitate the derivation, while also prompting the original poster to clarify the meaning of certain terms related to the temporal version.

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The discussion has progressed with some participants providing guidance on how to approach the derivation. The original poster has indicated that they received detailed assistance from their professor, suggesting that they have made significant progress in resolving their questions.

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The original poster references specific lecture notes and has been in communication with the professor regarding the material, indicating a structured learning environment. There is an implication of assumptions regarding the separability of variables in the Fourier transform, which may affect the derivation process.

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Homework Statement
Starting with the second order polarization in the time domain:
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(1)

I am trying derive the frequency domain form:
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(2)

Multiple sources give essentially the same formula with the same integral, I have obtained the particular ones in here from those lecture notes.

My issue is finding the origin of the ∫dω1 integral. After a day of attempts I still can't figure out how it comes into play.

The attempt at a solution
Attempt 1

I started by identifying the time-domain formula (equation 1) as a double convolution:
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Which would map nicely to
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But I did not get far as to deriving equation 2 from here.

Attempt 2
Another approach I have attempted is that recognizing the the desired frequency-domain form (equation 2) is very close to convolution with respect to ω=ω1+ω2:
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However,
- Why would a convolution in the time domain map to a convolution in the frequency domain?
- The original formula (equation 2) does not have an integral with respect to ∫dω2.

Any help is incredibly appreciated.
Thank you!
 

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How is your Fourier transform defined?

Assuming it is
##E\left(t\right)=\frac{1}{2\pi}\int d\omega \exp\left(-i\omega t\right) \tilde{E}\left(\omega\right)## Eq.(1)
##\tilde{E}\left(\omega\right)=\int dt \exp\left(i\omega t\right) E\left(t\right)##

Where ##\tilde{\dots}## denotes the frequency domain functions.

How about substituting Eq. (1) into your expressions, and then carrying out the integrals with respect to ##t'## and ##t''##? In the process of doing this you will need to explain what does ##\chi^{2}\left(\omega, \omega_1, \omega_2\right)## mean. How does it relate to temporal version?
 
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Thank you for your response, the definition of the Fourier transform is

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The derivation checks out if it is assumed to be separable with respect to t' and t''
 

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Ngineer said:
The derivation checks out if it is assumed to be separable with respect to t' and t''

So does it settle your question then? If there are still problems can you show how far you got before getting stuck?
 
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Yes. I have actually corresponded with the professor that posted the online lectures I linked in the original post, and he kindly answered in detail, so I marked this post as solved.

Thanks for your kind help.
 

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