Deriving the Quadratic Equation Solution: A Closer Look at Completing the Square

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The discussion centers around the derivation of the quadratic equation solution, specifically exploring methods beyond the standard "add here, multiply there" approach. Participants express interest in alternative proofs or derivations, particularly those that involve completing the square or other more complex mathematical techniques.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants seek a proof of the quadratic equation solution that is more sophisticated than the typical method involving simple addition and multiplication.
  • There is a suggestion that a derivation involving completing the square might be what one participant is trying to recall.
  • One participant provides a detailed step-by-step derivation using completing the square, but acknowledges that it may resemble the standard method that others are trying to avoid.
  • Another participant notes that the most understandable derivation is based on completing the square and mentions that this can also be illustrated graphically.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about whether there exists a fundamentally different method that is conceptually distinct from the standard derivation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the existence of a more complex derivation. There are multiple competing views on what constitutes a "cooler" proof, and some express uncertainty about the methods discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various derivations and proofs without resolving the differences in complexity or conceptual approach. The discussion reflects a range of familiarity with mathematical terminology and techniques.

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Hey
I'm wondering if anyone can give me a proof to the quadratic equation solution which is not the simple add here multiply that proof

(I just recall some cooler proof, which I think requires more "complicated" mathematics than adding and multiplying, though I can't remember what it was)
 
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ibc said:
Hey
I'm wondering if anyone can give me a proof to the quadratic equation solution which is not the simple add here multiply that proof

What do you mean by an "add here multiply that" proof?
 
Do you want a proof or a derivation?
For a proof, you can just plug
[tex]x = \frac{-b \pm \sqrt{b^2 - 4 a c}}{2a}[/tex]
into the equation
[tex]a x^2 + b x + c[/tex]
and show that both give zero.

One derivation (the standard one, I think) is given here, for example. If there is any cooler one, I'd love to see it.
 
CompuChip said:
Do you want a proof or a derivation?
For a proof, you can just plug
[tex]x = \frac{-b \pm \sqrt{b^2 - 4 a c}}{2a}[/tex]
into the equation
[tex]a x^2 + b x + c[/tex]
and show that both give zero.

One derivation (the standard one, I think) is given here, for example. If there is any cooler one, I'd love to see it.

I mean a derivation.
by "add here multiply there" i mean the derivation given above.
and I'd like to see the cooler one too, or maybe I'm wrong and there isn't one, but I strongly recall there is.
 
There are generally lots of ways to prove any mathematical fact. But I would guess you're trying to remember a derivation that completes the square.
 
Hurkyl said:
There are generally lots of ways to prove any mathematical fact. But I would guess you're trying to remember a derivation that completes the square.

nope, that one is practically the same as the one mentioned here (or is it the same? don't know the name of each action =x )

what I'm thinking of is conceptually different one, though if none of you guys heard of it, maybe I'm only dreaming.
 
ax²+bx+c=0

Taking 'a' common,
a{x²+(b/a)x+(c/a)}=0

Since a is not equal to 0, so
x²+(b/a)x+(c/a)=0

{x+(b/2a)}²+(c/a)-(b/2a)²=0

{x+(b/2a)}²+(c/a)-(b²/4a²)=0

{x+(b/2a)}²=(b²/4a²)-(c/a)

{x+(b/2a)}²=(b²-4ac)/4a²

{x+(b/2a)}=±√{(b²-4ac)/4a²}

x=(b/2a)±√{(b²-4ac)/4a²}

x={-b±√(b²-4ac)}/2a


e.g. x²+3x+4=0

(x+3/2)²+4-(3/2)²=0

It's simple.
 
Sandee said:
ax²+bx+c=0

Taking 'a' common,
a{x²+(b/a)x+(c/a)}=0

Since a is not equal to 0, so
x²+(b/a)x+(c/a)=0

{x+(b/2a)}²+(c/a)-(b/2a)²=0

{x+(b/2a)}²+(c/a)-(b²/4a²)=0

{x+(b/2a)}²=(b²/4a²)-(c/a)

{x+(b/2a)}²=(b²-4ac)/4a²

{x+(b/2a)}=±√{(b²-4ac)/4a²}

x=(b/2a)±√{(b²-4ac)/4a²}

x={-b±√(b²-4ac)}/2a


e.g. x²+3x+4=0

(x+3/2)²+4-(3/2)²=0

It's simple.

Yes, it is. But I imagine that was what ibc was referring to as an "add here multiply there" proof. Apparently he wants one that is more difficult!
 
The most easily understandable derivation for the solution of a quadratic equation is based on "completing the square". This can also be shown graphically. Part of the derivation relies on the fact that you can "complete" the square and then undo the process. The algebraic steps are fairly straight-forward. Many/most intermediate algebra books show a derivation, some with the graphical picture, some without.
 

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