Describing recursive formulae in words

  • Thread starter Thread starter mse14
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Formulae
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

This discussion focuses on the verbal descriptions of the recursive formulae ##p_{n, 0}(4)## and ##p_{n - 1, 1}(3)##, specifically in the context of probability theory. The right-hand side of ##p_{n, 0}(4)## accurately describes the combined probabilities of selecting balls from two jars, factoring in the presence of ##n-1## original balls. The total probability law is invoked for ##p_{n - 1, 1}(3)##, with the discussion highlighting the need for clarity on the values of ##B## and the coefficients involved in the probability expressions. The distinction between events represented by ##p_{i,n−i}(k)## and ##p_{n−i, i}(k)## is also emphasized.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of probability theory, specifically the total probability law
  • Familiarity with recursive functions and their notation
  • Knowledge of conditional probability concepts
  • Basic comprehension of combinatorial problems involving multiple events
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the total probability law in detail, including its applications in various scenarios
  • Explore recursive functions in probability, focusing on their verbal descriptions and interpretations
  • Investigate the relationship between conditional probability and joint probability
  • Examine combinatorial probability problems to understand event distinctions and their implications
USEFUL FOR

Mathematicians, statisticians, and students of probability theory seeking to deepen their understanding of recursive formulae and their verbal representations in probability contexts.

mse14
Messages
1
Reaction score
0
Homework Statement
Recursive formulae and total probability
Relevant Equations
Consider two jars, each initially containing an equal number of balls. We perform four successive ball exchanges. In each exchange, we pick simultaneously and at random a ball from each jar and move it to the other jar. Let ##p_{i,n−i}(k)## denote the probability that after ##k## exchanges, a jar will contain ##i## balls that started in that jar and ##n−i## balls that started in the other jar. Suppose we want to find ##p_{n, 0}(4).## We argue recursively, using the total probability theorem. We have

##p_{n, 0}(4) = \frac 1n \cdot \frac 1n \cdot p_{n - 1, 1}(3), ##

## p_{n - 1, 1}(3) = p_{n, 0}(2) + 2 \cdot \frac{n - 1}{n} \cdot \frac 1n \cdot p_{n - 1, 1}(2) + \frac 2n \cdot \frac 2n \cdot p_{n - 2, 2}(2), ##

## p_{n, 0}(2) = \ldots ##

## \ldots##
I am only interested in the verbal descriptions of ##p_{n, 0}(4), \ p_{n - 1, 1}(3)##.

The right hand side of ##p_{n, 0}(4)## describes the probability of choosing one ball from one jar and the probability of choosing one ball from another jar and the probability of one of the jars containing ##n-1## original balls together with a ball from the other jar. Is that correct?

For ##p_{n - 1, 1}(3)## we need the total probability law.

In pictorial form, the total probability law looks like this below:

Capture.PNG


Using the notation from the pic above, we have ##p(A_1) = p_{n, 0}(2), \ p(A_2) = p_{n-1, 1}(2), \ p(A_3) = p_{n-2, 2}(2)##. Assuming that's correct, what's ##B## here? Do we have two values for ##B##, namely,##2 \cdot \frac {n-1}{n} \cdot \frac 1n## and ##\frac 2n \cdot \frac 2n##? Shouldn't ##B## have only one value? Also, shouldn't ##p_{n, 0}(2)## have a coeffcient, say ##B##, according to the total probability law? Lastly, what probability does ##2 \cdot \frac {n-1}{n} \cdot \frac 1n## represent? I understand where the coefficient ##2## comes from, but not sure about the rest of the expression.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
I don't see why you need the total probability rule for this. It's just conditional probability.
To have it at (3,1) at one step either it was (4,0) at the prior step, or it was (2,2) and then we happened to pick exactly the right ball from each.
But to phrase it in the form you ask for, P(B) is what you are trying to find, ##p_{3,1}(3)##. You would obtain this by summing ##P(B|A_1)P(A_1)## etc.

It is not quite clear how ##p_{i,n−i}(k)## is defined, but I would say that, for 2i<n, ##p_{i,n−i}(k)## and ##p_{n−i, i}(k)## represent distinct events.
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

Replies
12
Views
4K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
3K
  • · Replies 29 ·
Replies
29
Views
6K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
1K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
8K