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Design pattern i have found on an old artifact.

  1. Sep 26, 2012 #1
    Hi everyone,

    Recently i went to visited my grandfather and he brought me to his room where he pulled out an old artifact that he got from his father that got it from his father. He says it is from Egypt.

    it like a circle container and has a symbol on it.
    The symbol really intrigued me so i drew a rough sketch of it and drew it on pc later.
    Does this symbol mean anything to anyone here?

    i read that many egyptian symbols had amazing meanings in terms of maths and physics.

    Best regards to all,

    Ludo
     

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  3. Sep 26, 2012 #2
    The sketch is not perfect as i dont have the piece with me. It is very close but i might have missed out some stuff
     
  4. Sep 26, 2012 #3

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    Wow thx for the link.

    Maybe my grandfather is just pulling my leg. I doubt he's grandfather found something like that in Egypt...

    It seems way to important an precious to be in his possession.
    Next time i go i will try get a picture but it is crazy how the pyramids have amazing things associated to them.

    Like the speed of light, pi, the golden ratio.
     
  6. Sep 26, 2012 #5

    DavidSnider

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    It could have been from Egypt.. It has been found at the Temple of Osiris in Abydos and Mt. Sinai.
     
  7. Sep 26, 2012 #6

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    I just looked up your speed of light reference. I had never heard that before. That is a really cool coincidence.

    Speed of Light: 299,792,458 m/s (meters per second)
    Great Pyramid Grand Gallery: 29.9792458°N Latitude
     
  8. Sep 26, 2012 #7
    That is a big coincidence...
    Sometimes i wonder if they were not a very advanced civilization.

    Here is video you might enjoy i just saw it now:
    At 55 minutes it gets really interesting.

    Mentor edit: Links to crackpottery are not allowed.
     
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  9. Sep 26, 2012 #8

    DavidSnider

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    Well, no. It's just a coincidence. Meters had no significance to the Egyptians.
     
  10. Sep 26, 2012 #9

    sophiecentaur

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    Numerology sucks.
     
  11. Sep 26, 2012 #10

    Ryan_m_b

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    The only pyramid on that line is the Pyramid of Khufu at 29.979245,31.134514. I don't know Khafre was but he was way off on his coincidences, his pyramid is at 29.975625,31.13107!

    Point being you can find coincidences like this everywhere. Looking for meaning in it is a straight road to crackpottery. Considering the arbitrary concepts of longitude, latitude and metres were invented long after there is clearly no link.
     
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  12. Sep 26, 2012 #11

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    Did you know Borek has five letters and two vowels, just like Egypt does?
     
  13. Sep 26, 2012 #12

    DavidSnider

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    I know it's a meaningless coincidence, but it's still kind of extraordinary that one of the 7 wonders of the world has the exact value in latitude as the speed of light.

    Meters, longitude and latitude are based on (practically) natural constants, so I don't think they are really that arbitrary.

    I'm not trying to go into crackpot territory but it's interesting to consider just what they could have known.
     
  14. Sep 26, 2012 #13

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    The metre is very abitrary, it was originally chosen as the length of a second pendulum and the second is an artefact of ancient Babylonian practice of having things subdivided sexagesimally (which IIRC was later meshed with another ancient idea of dividing by simple fractions i.e. 24 = 2/12, 3/8, 4/6... to make the modern time keeping system).
     
  15. Sep 26, 2012 #14

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    But their numerical values are not (and in fact they do change occasionally).
    The speed of light is a constant, but its numerical value is complettely arbitrary and was essentiall choosen for convenience.
    A more extreme example of this is the permeabilty of free space (4pi*1e-7), this was defined to be a constant because it made our equations simpler, all the "ugly" bits were taken over by other constants. Interestingly, the permeabilty of free space might have to be changed in a few years, I think it has something to do with giving definite values to the Boltzman constant)
     
  16. Sep 26, 2012 #15

    DavidSnider

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    I'm not sure I understand -- if it was chosen for convenience doesn't that suggest that it's not completely arbitrary?
     
  17. Sep 26, 2012 #16

    sophiecentaur

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    You can be sure that it was nothing to do with how fast light travels!
     
  18. Sep 26, 2012 #17

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    "Arbitrary", in this context, means the numerical, chosen value. If a civilisation in Alpha Centauri had Science labs, you can be sure they wouldn't use the metre, the second or the kg. But they would be using pi,e and units of length and time, probably based on things like the Hydrogen Atom. That wouldn't be 'creepily mystical'. It would just be because they would have been arrived at as a result of the same rational thought processes and the fact that we all share the same elements. They would also need to be at a similar stage in their technology. The fact that some 'high priests' would have dug those values out of somewhere supernatural is laughable.
    There's such a strange combination of reverance and dismissiveness about technology in the past. The Victorians, using no computers or electronics, managed to build fantastic stuff that was well suited to the jobs they wanted done - likewise the mediaeval Cathedral builders. You can do lots of clever things with different methods from what's used today (no magic). People may not believe it but you can rely on the 'times tables' and 6-figure log tables for most things. You don't actually need a calculator to work out 10X10!
     
  19. Sep 26, 2012 #18

    DavidSnider

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    It is laughable but I don't recall anybody in here invoking the supernatural...
     
  20. Sep 26, 2012 #19

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    Unless these units would be based on the average second tentacle diameter and 1/8 of their day (you divide everything by eight when you have eight tentacles, don't you?).
     
  21. Sep 26, 2012 #20

    sophiecentaur

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    They can't even get that right. There should, surely, be ten tentacles. (Thanks to Gerard Hoffnung RIP)
     
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