Designing a Car Engine Piston: Thermodynamics Question

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design and analysis of a fictitious car engine piston, focusing on thermodynamics, specifically the air-fuel mixture and combustion processes. Participants explore calculations related to fuel selection, air-fuel ratios, and the implications for engine performance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using octane as the fuel and presents the combustion equation along with the air-fuel ratio (AFR) calculation.
  • Another participant suggests that 2.5 grams for the total mass of the fuel and air mixture sounds reasonable, noting that real engines typically operate with excess air.
  • A participant questions the calculation of densities and emphasizes the importance of considering mole fractions in the mixture.
  • One participant admits to using tables for density values instead of manual calculations, which raises concerns about accuracy.
  • Another participant provides a revised total mass of 2.28 grams for an AFR of 15, breaking down the mass contributions from air and fuel.
  • Discussion includes a suggestion to calculate fuel consumption rates based on engine speed and cylinder count, highlighting the need for realistic assumptions about engine operation.
  • A participant acknowledges a mistake in their previous calculation regarding fuel consumption rate and corrects the mass of fuel to approximately 0.15 grams.
  • Another participant points out the need to account for intake frequency in a four-stroke engine, suggesting a method to convert fuel mass flow rate to real-world fuel consumption metrics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the calculated mass of the fuel and air mixture is within a reasonable range, but there are multiple competing views on the accuracy of the calculations and assumptions made regarding densities and fuel consumption rates. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to calculate and validate these parameters.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include reliance on internet tables for density values, potential inaccuracies in the assumptions about air-fuel ratios, and the need for clarification on the frequency of intake strokes in engine operation.

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Recently I have been studying thermodynamics and I wanted to analyze a fictitious car piston of my own design. Indeed I have quite some questions, but the most important is this one, and maybe someone could give me an opinion on my progress.

I started off by selecting the fuel, which according to some internet source (I forgot, can't cite) suggested that I should use Octane, so I wrote the chemical equation,

C_8H_{18} + 12.5(O_2+3.76N_2) \rightarrow 8CO_2 + 9H_2O + 23.5N_2
and I used the AFR ultimately computing the ratio to be,

i = \frac{m_o}{m_f} = 15.0279
After this, I computed the densities of air and octane,

\rho_A = 1.2754 \frac{\text{kg}}{\text{m}^3}
and

\rho_F = 703 \frac{\text{kg}}{\text{m}^3}
I randomly selected a Vp = 1.8L volume, so I went ahead and wrote these two equations,

<br /> m_A = i \cdot m_F \\<br /> \frac{1}{\rho_A}m_A + \frac{1}{\rho_F}m_F = V_p<br />
From which, when you solve it, you get a total mass of

<br /> m_T = m_A + m_F = 2.448 \; \text{grams}<br />
My question is, is this feasible? Does the entire mass of the fuel and air mixture amount to about 2.448 grams in a single cylinder? If not, where did I go wrong?

Also, I would be most grateful if someone could point to a book or anything of the educational nature on this subject?

My next steps from here would be to try and figure the heat of combustion and then I will start to compute an Otto Cycle, perhaps later even use a more realistic intake/exhaust cycle.
 
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2.5grams sounds OK.
Real engines do not operate at stoichiometric air fuel ratios, they have a massive excess of air.
 
Thanks a lot. Yeah, I suppose I should fix that.
 
Typical air fuel ratios are indeed 15. Show us how you calculated the densities of the fuel and the air. I hope you took into account the mole fractions of the gases in the mixture.

Chet
 
Hi Chet, thanks for the reply. Sadly I did not manually calculate the densities, I used Tables from the internet to get them at 20°C, 1 bar - since I figured those would be intake conditions.
 
gezibash said:
Hi Chet, thanks for the reply. Sadly I did not manually calculate the densities, I used Tables from the internet to get them at 20°C, 1 bar - since I figured those would be intake conditions.
For those conditions, I got 2.28 gm for an afr of 15.

I got mole fraction of air = partial pressure of air (atm) = 0.9833
mole fraction of fuel = partial pressure of fuel (atm) = 0.01667
mass of air = 2.136 gm
mass of fuel = 0.1424 gm

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
For those conditions, I got 2.28 gm for an afr of 15.

Yes, that seems pretty good. I was just making sure that the answer itself is logical, so anything around 2-3 grams would be on the right track here.
 
A way of checking this is to figure out the fuel consumption rate. You can multiply by the number of cylinders and the engine speed to get the fuel consumption rate. Assume that, at cruising speed, the engine speed is about 1500 rpm. Does this make sense in terms of gas mileage?

Chet
 
Yeah, but I would have to time the cylinder stroke. Check my train of thought here,

n_1\;m_1\;N_c = \dot{m}
Where n_1 = 1500\;\text{rpm}, m_1 = 2.448\;\text{gm} and N_c = 8 (number of cylinders).
 
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Lol I could not have been wronger than my previous post. I used the combined mass of both the fuel and air. Clearly that is not a fuel consumption rate. I need to use m_1\approx 0.15 \text{gm}
 
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You also need to account for how often intakes occur. Presumably it's a four stroke engine...Not a mythical half stroke engine as your equation implies..The average V8 will cruise close to 1500rpm at highway speed (100km/hr)
With that information you can go ahead and convert your fuel mass flow rate to litres/100km (or mpg if you're that way inclined) so you can see how your values compare with real world fuel consumption data.
 

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