Detecting Multiple Planets Around a Star

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the detection of multiple planets around a star using the Doppler shift or radial velocity method. Participants explore the implications of having multiple planets and how their interactions might affect the observed wobble of the star.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the assumption of the orbital period of a star's planetary companion being equal to the period of the star's detected wobble is derived from the two-body problem.
  • The same participant questions how a star with multiple planets would exhibit a wobble, considering the complexity of the n-body problem and the typical assumption that planet-planet interactions can be ignored.
  • Another participant suggests that the detection of additional planets is achieved by analyzing 'residuals' from the Doppler wobble of the first detected planet, which can indicate the presence of further planets through deviations in expected motion.
  • A visual representation of the star's wobble is shared, illustrating the concept discussed.
  • One participant expresses appreciation for the explanations and visual aids provided by others in the thread.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the complexities of detecting multiple planets, and the discussion reflects varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the n-body problem and its implications for star wobble.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights assumptions about the dominance of planet-star interactions over planet-planet interactions, which may not hold in all cases. There are also unresolved questions regarding the nature of the star's wobble with multiple planets present.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in exoplanet detection methods, orbital mechanics, and the complexities of multi-body gravitational interactions may find this discussion relevant.

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In the Doppler shift or radial velocity method for detecting exoplanets, it is assumed that the orbital period of the star's planetary companion is equal to the period of the star's detected wobble. I'm assuming that this fact comes straight from the solution to the two-body problem.

My question is, what if a star has multiple planets in orbit around it? Say, for example, we were viewing our solar system from afar. Would we be able to detect anything other than Jupiter? I guess this is an n-body problem, although it seems that the typical thing to do is to assume that the interaction between each planet and the parent star is much greater than the interactions among planets, which can be ignored. So, I guess that this is like 8 independent two-body problems, each of which gives a solution that is a good (zeroth-order? first-order?) solution for that planet's orbit.

What's confusing me is that the solution to each two-body problem would have you believe that the parent star wobbles with a period equal to the orbital period of the second object. So, how could the sun wobble "around" the barycentre on 8 different timescales? What does the wobble look like if there are multiple planets, and how are we supposed to know that they are there?
 
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IIRC, the way it is done is to look for 'residuals': The Doppler wobble from the first planetary candidate gives an approximate orbit. Further observations improve the estimate. Later observations show that the first planet is running a bit faster then a bit slower than its predicted motion. Back-calculating these 'residuals' give an estimate for a second planet. Further measurements improve the estimate until new, cyclic 'residuals' appear...
 
Interesting! Thanks Nik_2213 and Nabesin for the verbal and visual help, respectively.
 

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