Detecting Protostars: Light Processing Explained

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The discussion centers on the methods used to detect protostars, particularly focusing on the techniques of light processing and the types of telescopes employed. Participants explore the challenges and processes involved in identifying these celestial objects within nebulas.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that images of nebulas are processed through filters that allow different wavelengths of light to be analyzed, particularly in the infrared range where protostars are typically detected.
  • There is uncertainty about whether the initial identification of protostars relies on automated processing or if astronomers manually analyze the images after minimal processing.
  • One participant mentions the use of millimeter wave and radio telescopes, which can detect wavelengths that penetrate dust, indicating activity within nebulas.
  • Concerns are raised about the efficiency of visually identifying protostars, with some participants expressing doubt about the effectiveness of "eyeballing" images.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the processes involved in detecting protostars, particularly regarding the role of automated versus manual processing of images. There is no consensus on the most effective method for identifying these objects.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations of current methods, including the dependence on specific wavelengths and the challenges posed by surrounding gas and dust. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the exact processes used in the detection of protostars.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying astrophysics, astronomy, or anyone curious about the methods used in celestial object detection.

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How are protostars detected? I doubt that someone is just looking at a poster of a nebula looking for stars.

I'm guessing the image is ran through some kind of light processing program that looks for... something?

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Images are taken through filters that let through different wavelengths of light. Protostars form within nebulas, are surrounded by molecular clouds of gas and dust and typically radiate mostly in the infrared range, so by comparing the images taken through the different filters astronomers can identify which stars are most likely protostars.

nmsurobert said:
I'm guessing the image is ran through some kind of light processing program that looks for... something?

Good question. I'm not sure to be honest.
 
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Drakkith said:
Images are taken through filters that let through different wavelengths of light. Protostars form within nebulas, are surrounded by molecular clouds of gas and dust and typically radiate mostly in the infrared range, so by comparing the images taken through the different filters astronomers can identify which stars are most likely protostars.
Good question. I'm not sure to be honest.

i know we can see them but I doubt that's how they're found. I would guess that the data is processed somehow then the image is looked at once a candidate is found.
 
nmsurobert said:
i know we can see them but I doubt that's how they're found. I would guess that the data is processed somehow then the image is looked at once a candidate is found.

I'm not so sure. Targets for telescope observations are often chosen well in advance, so I could easily see the images first being looked at after only a minimal amount of automated processing. In other words, astronomers would choose a target, such as a nebula, write up the proposal to use the appropriate telescope, and then manually do most of the processing themselves once the images come back.
 
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nmsurobert said:
How are protostars detected? ...

Millimeter wave telescopes. Radio telescopes. Some wavelengths will pass through dust that blocks visible and infrared light. Some gasses flow out of nebula which can indicate that something is happening inside.

nmsurobert said:
...I doubt that someone is just looking at a poster of a nebula looking for stars...

Why not look at nebula?
 
stefan r said:
Why not look at nebula?

it seems like "eye balling" for a protostar is inefficient.
 
nmsurobert said:
it seems like "eye balling" for a protostar is inefficient.

I'm not sure to be honest. Narrowing the sky down to just nebulas vastly reduces the number of stars to look at, but I don't know if there is still some sort of automated process in the pipeline.
 

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