Determinant of a matrix over the integers mod n

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of determinants of matrices when considered over different mathematical structures, specifically comparing determinants over the integers modulo n and the real numbers. The scope includes theoretical aspects of linear algebra and modular arithmetic.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • James questions whether the determinant of a matrix over the integers mod n equals the determinant over the real numbers modulo n for all prime numbers n.
  • One participant asserts that the statement is true if the determinant is computed by performing arithmetic operations on the entries as integers and then reducing modulo n.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the notation used by James refers to the determinant over a ring rather than a field, suggesting a misunderstanding in the original statement.
  • There is a correction regarding the interpretation of elements from the real numbers in the context of integers mod n, indicating a need for clarity in notation and definitions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of James's initial statement, with some clarifying the mathematical context while others challenge the assumptions made. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the original claim.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the misunderstanding of the properties of determinants over different mathematical structures and the implications of using integers versus real numbers in modular arithmetic.

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Hi,

I'm curious if the following statement is true for all prime numbers n,

[itex]\det_{\mathbb{Z}_n}M = (\det_{\mathbb{R}}M)\mod n[/itex]

where [itex]\det_F M[/itex] is the determinant of M over the field F.

Thanks.

James
 
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Z isn't a field. But if you mean that if you take a matrix, and compute its determinant by multiplying, adding, and subtracting the entries as integers and then reduce mod n, versus if you do all the arithmetic mod n, then the answer is 'yes'.
 
Thanks for the correction, I guess what I meant to say was [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex].
 
no, what you meant to saY WAS THATyour notation denoted the determinant over the ring F.

since you cannot consider elements of R as if they were in Z/n unless they are integers.
 

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