Determinant of non square matrix

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of finding the determinant of non-square matrices. Participants explore theoretical definitions, potential methods, and references to academic papers that address this topic.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to find the determinant of a non-square matrix.
  • Another participant asserts that the determinant is only defined for square matrices, explaining it in terms of volume change related to basis vectors.
  • A different participant claims that it is possible to find the determinant of non-square matrices, referencing a specific paper but expressing difficulty in understanding it.
  • Another participant critiques the referenced paper's title, suggesting it does not imply that non-square matrices have determinants, but rather discusses identities related to square matrices.
  • One participant encourages reading the paper to understand how a determinant for a 2x3 matrix is derived.
  • Another participant mentions a method for calculating a generalized determinant for a 3x15 matrix by considering all 3x3 submatrices and taking an alternating sum of their determinants.
  • One participant reiterates their confusion about the paper's explanation of the determinant for a 2x3 matrix, noting it involves a sum of 2x2 determinants.
  • A participant expresses gratitude for the assistance and requests additional resources or techniques for finding determinants of non-square matrices.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the existence or method of finding determinants for non-square matrices, with multiple competing views and ongoing confusion expressed.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in understanding the definitions and methods presented in the referenced paper, as well as unresolved questions regarding the applicability of these methods to different matrix sizes.

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how we can find the determinant of non square matrix ??
 
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The determinant is only defined for square matrices. You can think of the determinant as the change in the volume element due to a change in basis vectors. So if the number of basis elements is not the same (i.e. the matrix isn't square), then the determinant really doesn't make any sense.
 
we can find the determinant of non square matrix but I don't have resource only this paper
(GENERALIZATION OF SOME DETERMINANTAL IDENTITIES FOR NON-SQUARE MATRICES BASED ON RADIC’S DEFINITION) But I have problem to understand it you can find this paper on google.
 
I haven't seen that paper but the title you give does not say anything about a non-square matrix having a determinant. It sounds like it is looking at analogues of identities that apply to determinants of square matrices.
 
Download this paper and read first definition and first example and you see how they find the determinant of a matrix 2x3
 
in fact I try to understand the paper that I mention to it,I don't know how they find the determinant of a matrix of size 2x3, My problem I have to find the determinant of a matrix 3x15.
 
To find your 3x15 generalized determinant, you need to compute the determinant of all the 455 3x3 submatrices, and take the alternating sum. The sign of the first determinant is positive, then the signs alternate according to the parity of the sum of the colomn indices.
 
ahmednet24 said:
in fact I try to understand the paper that I mention to it,I don't know how they find the determinant of a matrix of size 2x3

It was written out as the sum of three 2x2 determinants somewhere in the paper. (I'm not going back to find the exact page number for you!)
 
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I am thankful to all of you who try to help other, please if anyone have a paper or any other Technique to solve the problem who to find the determinant of non square matrix please share it with us
 

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